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Question of the Day - 27 November 2024

Q:

Since Vegas Matt is being discussed, I watched a video where he won on slots, then played a single hand of baccarat for $3,000. He was doing that annoying slow-card-turnover thing, but on the third card, he bent it back, then creased it before revealing the card. I know high limit and all, but that seems really excessive. Are there rules against essentially destroying a card?

A:

It depends on where in the world baccarat is being played.

In Macau, for example, enfolded within the Chinese mystique surrounding this game, the card-"destroying" ritual is not only deeply embedded, but can actually be the least of the damage. 

Here, every hand is the equivalent of a theatrical performance, a delicate balance between skill and superstition. The cards are dealt and the ritual begins. With a slow deliberate flourish, the player lifts one corner of the card, revealing just a glimpse. The second card is handled with the same reverence, each crease a mark of intent. These deliberate marks seal the fate of the cards, of course; they're now permanently damaged, destined never to return to the tables.

After the reveal, some players crush the cards or fling them forcefully onto the table in triumph or frustration. When particular misfortune befalls, the rare-wood armrests that surround the baccarat tables sometimes receive the brunt of the game's intense emotions. It’s not uncommon for even these elegant fixtures to be replaced.

However, note the important qualification: "after the reveal." Yes, rules are strict about "essentially destroying" a card during the hand. You can bend it and crease it, but you can't crush it or fling it until the play has been resolved. Otherwise, it could and would alter the result of the game and that's the very definition of cheating. 

In Las Vegas, it's the same, especially in the high-limit baccarat pit. You might not see crushing or ripping the cards, which the casino might frown upon, but "squeezing" baccarat cards is common and, like in Macau, part of the ritual. 

A pack of cards costs the casino $1 or less in most cases, so that's a minuscule price to pay when Vegas Matt is exposing $3,000 per hand to the house edge and the whales of the world are tendering $50,000, $100,000, even $250,000 a hand. Not many casinos will make an issue of a big player squeezing or bending or creasing a baccarat card in a high-limit pit -- and there's no rule against it. When it comes to high-roller behavior, much much worse is tolerated.

 

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  • John Nov-27-2024
    Please Elucidate Sir!
    "When it comes to high-roller behavior, much much worse is tolerated."
    
    Details please!  I'll bring the popcorn!

  • John Hearn Nov-27-2024
    What John said!
    I second that emotion.
    

  • jay Nov-27-2024
    Thirds-eez
    I third the nomination 

  • Brent Peterson Nov-27-2024
    Yep!
    Thought the same thing. QOD with "much worse" high-roller behavior!

  • Randall Ward Nov-27-2024
    great question!
    this is my question! watching that was annoying but now I know that's not just accepted but kinda normal?  never too old to learn 

  • Raymond Nov-27-2024
    Understandable
    I can see how the casinos will put up with almost any behavior in order to get a shot at a whale's $50,000/$100,000/$250,000 a hand at any game.  Think how many hands it would take to get that much money in play at $25/$50/$100 per hand!  It doesn't excuse some behavior, but it does explain it.
    
    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! 

  • John Nov-27-2024
    Motion Carries
    Well Deke, I have a second and a third so how about it?  Spill some whale beans for us (w/o needing any sort of legal representation of course.)
    
    Wishing all LVAers and LVA staff a wonderful Thanksgiving!
    
    Be safe and be well all.

  • King of the Bovines Nov-28-2024
    Bad behavior by high rollers
    I've been in the casino business for a quarter century, and yes, the higher the limits, the more 'poor' behavior is allowed / tolerated.
    
    Some high rollers have a sense of entitlement, and will verbally (and sometimes physically) abuse the dealers without any repercussions.
    
    I've seen dealers ALMOST keep their composure on their way to the break room.
    
    And what can the dealers do when management doesn't have their backs?
    
    Especially at places where the tips aren't shared, and you can be fired for no cause...