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Question of the Day - 28 April 2020

Q:

Why was Trump Las Vegas built without a casino?

 

A:

We suspect it was due to the small footprint — four acres — of the first of what were supposed to be two condo-hotel towers bearing Donald Trump’s brand. (The second, according to co-owner Phil Ruffin, will not be built.) However … 

In 2013, son Eric Trump explained the decision thusly, "We have no problem getting a gaming license, but we wanted to do something different here.” (Since Donald Trump had previously held a Nevada gaming license, when he owned 10% of the Riviera, Eric Trump was right that there would be no problem.) 

Eric Trump told Vegas Inc., "We wanted a true luxury-resort experience. It's hard to have a high-quality product when you walk into ‘ding, ding, ding’ and people are walking around in Hawaiian shirts with big plastic drink mugs.” We've been to Trump International on multiple occasions and, indeed, we've never seen a Hawaiian shirt or a plastic drink mug.

But in February 2016, Donald Trump announced that he and Ruffin were planning build a $100 million casino on the pad previously reserved for Tower Two. In today’s market, $100 million isn’t very much to spend on a casino, especially on the Strip. (Mere renovations to the Tropicana cost over $200 million.) Also, Eric Trump put the onus on Ruffin to move forward with the project, telling the Wall Street Journal that if the Kansas-born mogul took the initiative, "We would certainly do it. [He is] one of our closest friends. We're almost inseparable.”

The plan called for the casino to occupy four acres next to Tower One and would have been half-owned by Trump, who of course has gone on to bigger and better things. But it never proceeded beyond the announcement stage; in fact, it went down the memory hole almost as soon as it saw the light of day.

 
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  • Sandra Ritter Apr-28-2020
    No Casino
    Why have another casino to bankrupt?

  • Martin Shedlin Apr-28-2020
    better?
    Trump, who of course has gone on to bigger and better things."
    
    Really? Really? Bigger is not neccessarily better. (The QoD went political first, so the commendable rule to avoid political comment was waived.)

  • Deke Castleman Apr-28-2020
    politics
    We made no comment about Trump. "Bigger" and "better" are adjectives that modify the noun "things," an idiom that refers to the presidency of the United States. So let's try and keep this QoD apolitical. It's about a building.  

  • Dave Apr-28-2020
    Deke is right
    Bigger & better refers to the job itself, not to his performance n the job. 

  • Kurt Wiesenbach Apr-28-2020
    Trump towers
    When it was built it was supposed to be condos, but that's about the same time the bottom fell out of the housing market. They switched the condos to timeshare units with an agreement between the building owner and Hilton Vacations. At least that's what I was led to believe as an owner of HGVC. I've never stayed there, as it's a bit too far off of the action for me. I much prefer Elara (at Planet Hollywood) or the Flamingo property (next to the Great Wheel) when I go to Vegas.

  • jay Apr-28-2020
    Trump Properties
    Each new project is a new corporation, and Trump is a investor. This insulates his other investments from getting impacted if something goes wrong with the new project. Typically Trump will try to further insulate his portion of the investment by purchasing the land. If the project was 300 million and split 3 ways, he would claim the land + use of his name is his 100m investment. Just like any other mob run project his investment comes with the condition that they use Trump Construction so he can siphon off a good portion of the cash into his coffers. 
    
    Trump maintains ownership of the land and creates a revenue stream by leasing the land back to the operation.
    
    Per earlier comments if the project goes bankrupt - Trump has very little cash in the game, land is still owned, and leased back to the project, and he has the other investors cash siphoned from Trump Construction.  He doesn't care if it goes bankrupt he is already monied up.

  • steve crouse Apr-28-2020
    Didn't Want Competition
    At the time Trump Tower was planned, the "word on the street" was that the big boys, Adelson, Wynn, Maloof, et all, were in extreme opposition to Trump being involved in any gambling venture in Vegas.
    Each, having a certain amount of pull with the Gambling Commission, pushed all they could to keep him out, as well as trying to stall his efforts at building a condo property.
    Of course the official version is as Deke stated.

  • Martin Shedlin Apr-28-2020
    Follow-up on what "better" referred to.
    Whether the presidency you refer to references the non-specific, generic presidency as you maintain or to the specific presidency that began in 2017 is open to debate. It could reasonably be either.
    
    You may be on firmer ground, though, when trying a second, unrelated gambit that what "it" referred to was a building. The White House is undeniably a bigger and better building than a four acre Strip casino co-owned with Phil Ruffin. 
    
    I would make the second one my only pitch, because you can't logically make both. It's either one or the other. By asserting "it" referred to both a presidency AND a building, you weaken your case.

  • rokgpsman Apr-28-2020
    Trump casinos
    After all of the casino bankruptcies (at least 4, maybe more) associated with Trump on the east coast maybe he didn't want to risk that happening with his tower building and "brand" in Las Vegas. He would be going up against some of the best casino owners and operators in the world in Las Vegas. Plus his tower building just isn't big enough at ground level to have a decent-size casino, he never wants to be seen as being smaller than a competitor. So if he couldn't have a huge casino floor space like MGM or Venetian then he didn't want to do it at all. Ego is a big part of his decision-making. 

  • steve crouse Apr-29-2020
    TDS
    Martin Sheldin
    You should get that bad case of TDS checked out.

  • JohnB Feb-24-2022
    JohnB
    The Riviera investment was made just to get access to a license for Trump Tower, but it never was full license. Enter Phil Ruffin!
    
    Nevada will never give Trump a gaming license now. That river was crossed when his Atlantic City casino businesses went bankrupt 5 times. Then, of course there is January 6th!

  • JohnB Feb-24-2022
    JohnB
    The Riviera investment was made just to get access to a license for Trump Tower, but it never was a full license. Enter Phil Ruffin!
    
    Nevada will never give Trump (or his children) a full gaming license now. That river was crossed when his Atlantic City casino businesses went bankrupt 5 times. Then, of course there is January 6th!

  • [email protected] Nov-05-2024
    Casino 
    Sandra, the casino did not go bankrupt that Trump had in Atlantic City. They actually got out of that before it ever went bankrupt. They did so because they were moving onto other things. And then the casinos went bankrupt later.