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Question of the Day - 17 January 2023

Q:

Regarding the "royal cycle" in video poker, if I'm playing single-hand Jacks or Better, my royal cycle is roughly 1 royal every 40,000 hands. However, if I switch to Ten Play, for every one dealt hand, I'm playing 10 hands from that single deal. So on Ten Play, if I play 1,000 dealt hands, am I 1,000 hands into my royal cycle or 10,000 hands into my royal cycle? 

A:

[Editor's Note: Over to you, Bob Dancer.]

Neither.

A cycle of 40,391(the actual cycle for 9/6 JoB) does not mean that if you’ve played 39,391 hands without a royal,  you’re more than average likely to hit a royal in the next 1,000 hands.

A cycle that size means that on your very next hand, the odds are 40,390-to-1 against getting a royal flush. This is true whether you hit a royal on your last hand or you’ve gone 32 years since your last royal.

The concept of being so many hands “into a cycle” is nonsense. No mastermind or regulator counts your misses and does something to give you one when you’re due. 

If you’re playing Ten Play, yes, you have ten separate chances to get the royal on your next hand, but it doesn’t mean that your odds are 10 out of 40,391. Usually, you’ll hit zero royals, of course, but you could hit any number between zero and 10. The odds of getting 10 royals are roughly 1 in 650,000 against, but you’re more likely to get 10 royals than four, five, six, seven, eight, or nine royals put together!

That last sentence might seem a bit of a puzzle, so let’s look at it a bit more closely.

To get multiple royals in Ten Play, but not all 10, the easiest way is to start from four to the royal. That is, a suited AKQJ with any card other than the 10 of the same suit. You get such a hand every 2,825 hands (including the suited KQJT9 straight flush, which you should keep unless you’re playing Deuces Wild).

From this 1-in-2,825 hands, it’s basically 1 in a million to hit five royals, 1 in 56 million to hit six royals, 1 in 450 million to hit seven royals, etc. To make the math easy, if you include the difficulty of starting with four-to-the-royal, it’s basically 1 in 3 billion to get five royals, one in 150 billion to get six royals, one in 1.2 trillion to hit seven royals, etc. These are very small numbers in comparison with the 1 in 650,000 chance of being dealt a royal, which gives you ten of them all at once.

These numbers are calculated using the binomial theorem. It’s not too difficult using Excel, but explaining exactly how to use Excel to do it is a lesson for another day.

 

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  • JerryD Jan-17-2023
    Overthought
    Interesting analysis, but I'm not sure it gets to the heart of the question--If you're playing ten play, will you average 10 times more royals in the long run than if you play single-hand?

  • Dave_Miller_DJTB Jan-17-2023
    10 times?
    @JerryD -
    No. You have EXACTY the same odds of getting four to a royal as single play. At that point, then yes, you’re 10 times more likely to hit it. But that’s all. The odds of hitting two or more get exponentially harder. 

  • Bob Nelson Jan-17-2023
    Perhaps a better way to phrase the answer?
    The idea of a Royal 'Cycle' is of course rubbish, the machine has no memory of previous hands and doesn't owe you anything more than a random draw of the cards.  But if you are playing by the proper strategy you should over the long term see royals at about a 1 in 40k(ish) hands rate.  Playing Ten Play 4000 deals would count as 40,000 hands in that respect.  However without doing any math I think your variability will be higher playing the Ten Play vs. single play because you are very dependent on getting the key hands (like 4 to a royal) before the draw.  The extreme case is the dealt royal, if it happens you have ten royals in a flash and could be way ahead of average on royals for quite some time.  On the other hand Ten Play should reduce the variability of your results on the hands that you do get that great starting hand because you always get ten chances to get the needed card(s) instead of just one.

  • Dave_Miller_DJTB Jan-17-2023
    100 play
    On a somewhat related note, I once held one card on a 100 play machine and got a royal. 
    
    Big deal. I was playing 1¢ per hand.  Sigh. 

  • Roy Furukawa Jan-17-2023
    Uhhh
    As Maxwell Smart would say, “Can you repeat everything after “Neither?”  :D

  • Mark Jan-20-2023
    10x?
    Yes, if you play 10X, you'll generally get 10X as many royals as single line...  but you'll also be paying 10X as much (assuming you're playing the same denomination, obviously).