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Question of the Day - 13 December 2022

Q:

Does the average middle-class worker stand a chance visiting Vegas anymore? Airfare and room rates are increasing due to the popularity and more frequent sporting events, concerts, and conventions. Will this be the new normal?

A:

It's certainly true that Las Vegas room rates and prices in general are higher than they've ever been, but to your first question about average people "standing a chance," our answer is yes. Absolutely.

Readers of this daily page and our Gambling With An Edge blog, listeners to the podcast of the same name, viewers of the weekly YouTube LVA Update, and most of all, subscribers to the Las Vegas Advisor who receive the Member Rewards Book of coupons as a premium stand a solid chance of separating themselves from the hordes of suckers on whom the casinos depend for their bottom-line profits, shareholder value, executive bonuses -- in short, their laughing all the way to the bank. Heck, anyone who takes advantage of our Top Ten Values alone is way ahead of the game.

And when the casinos have to start marketing hard again, which they will, people like us will jump all over the low rates, good promotions, better odds, increased comps, and big giveaways that will accrue to our own bottom lines, or at least our vacation value and pleasure. Until then, we can continue to frequent the less greedy casinos (South Point, Ellis Island, Binion's, et al.) and avoid the gougers (here's looking at you, MGM and Station) like the plague. 

As for question number two, our belief is that new normals are normal until they aren't anymore and then there's a new new normal. We're waiting for the time when economic conditions are such that demand is depressed and the intensely competitive casinos in Las Vegas have to respond by reining in their prices and profits. We're sure that will come to pass at some point, but when is anyone's guess. In the meantime, see the answer to question number one above.

 

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  • Edso Dec-13-2022
    It can be done
    My wife and I are middle class workers and we have been enjoying Vegas a couple times a year (except 2020).  We stay in comped rooms with no resort fees, take advantage of free slot play and food comps, and play the AP games.  We've been doing this since I purchased Jean Scott's "Frugal Gambler" and the American Casino Guide when it was in print.  If you go looking for the deals and use the coupons, even a middle class worker can be a "Low Roller" and have a fantastic Vegas Vacation a couple times a year.   

  • Kevin Lewis Dec-13-2022
    I wish I could be as optimistic
    It's still possible to put together a low-cost Vegas gambling vacation. But the possibilities are inexorably shrinking, prices, even at the bargain joints, continue to creep up, and the gambling is much, much, much, much, much shittier. I don't think a reversal, or even a halting, of this trend is in the offing--maybe EVER. The casinos have found--doubtless to their surprise--that the hordes of idiots waving suitcases full of cash are pretty much infinite in number.

  • Brent Dec-13-2022
    The entire premise of this question is incorrect
    I frequently pop up on discussions about "how expensive Vegas is" (including in this forum) to address the common misunderstanding of how money works.
    
    In adjusted dollars, and even including the new things like resort fees, most things in Las Vegas are still pretty comparably priced to what they have been since the 1960s. Sometimes you can even find deals that are CHEAPER.
    
    There are three things that seem to cause this common misconception: (1) misunderstanding (or just ignoring) standard inflation; (2) assuming that those "great deals" of yesteryear were the regular prices for things (they were only available certain days, certain months, and under specific conditions); and (3) comparing apples and oranges (a room at Bob Stupak's Vegas World wasn't comparable to a Fountainview Terrace at the Cosmopolitan and a dinner at the Sands' coffee shop wasn't comparable to the tasting menu at a Jose Andres restaurant).
    
    Prices are higher right now because of demand, but its not permanent.

  • Jackie Dec-13-2022
    Idiots a plenty
    Things may change sooner than you think.
    
    Currently, all sorts of media is screaming "The Sky Is Falling" AKA China is crushing the USA economy by dumping USA debt they are holding and going on the Gold Standard.
    
    Nice try China.
    
    Yes, these actions will have an effect upon our economy but not anywhere near what the fear mongers are spreading.
    
    What will happen is that the USA and it's citizens will make many adjustments to their spending and go through some tough times financially but come out wiser and better off in the end.
    
    The Las Vegas casino industry will have to make many adjustments to get the crowds back to the games.
    
    China has it's own economic vulnerabilities I'm sure the US will take advantage of, for instance the Taiwan take over, China simply doesn't have enough money to go to war.
    
    So, Don't Worry, Be Happy.
    
    

  • Linda Heffernan Dec-13-2022
    Their?
    Should be they're.  Like fingernails on a chalkboard.

  • VegasVic Dec-13-2022
    Strip
    First way to save money is never stay on the strip.  Overrated, overpriced.  Ok, if it's your first time going to Vegas stay on the strip.  After that there is no reason to go. High table minimums with 6/5 blackjack.  "Celebrity" chef restaurants where you pay for the name, not the quality of food. Lame shows.  Stay off strip at a reasonable rate with good gambling and good food.  Rent a car and get out of the casinos.  Go to Red Rock, Hoover Dam, Valley of Fire, Mt. Charleston.  Go to the pinball hall of fame.  Vegas is still a  fun place to go and can be affordable.  Just avoid the strip.   

  • Doozey Dec-13-2022
    "FREE"???????
    I get offers for "free" rooms, meals, slot play, air fare, shows---only if I gamble, and gamble, and gamble. Every time I discuss "free" items from casinos I use air quotes and say "This free stuff costs a lot of money." Now I see you can get free spelling and grammar lessons on this site.

  • Reno Faoro Dec-13-2022
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    prices on strip are NUTS . EVEN WEEKENDS DOWNTOWN . $499, FOR A SATURDAY NITE AT THE GN ??Cowboy rib eye at THE D - ANDIAMO'S -$120 ??? WOW. See the CIRCA SPORTSBOOK - $20 ??   DUH.

  • Lotel Dec-13-2022
    APs and Pros killed Vegas 
    Pros and Advantage players  killed Vegas. they made it so there are few in any good games to gamble or the Average  visitor  gets any comps or good deals .   The pros and APs think they are beating the casino out of money when all they really  are doing is taking money from the average visitor in Vegas to have some fun. 

  • Brent Dec-13-2022
    $120 steak is a STEAL
    $120 for a Cowboy Ribeye! Outrageous, right?
    
    A "Cowboy Ribeye is 2-3 pounds of steak, which is 2-2.5 times the size of a traditional steak portion. So, 16 ounce portion would cost $48-60
    
    In 1980 dollars, which is what I think a lot of people here think of a "the good old days," that would be $13-17. In 1990 dollars, it would be $21-26 for a 16 ounce steak. That is, actually, a pretty good price for a fine dining steak in 1980 or 1990.
    
    Yes, I know. "You used to be able to get a steak for $1.99!" Yep. You could get a 6 ounce, thin-cut, badly cooked steak at a casino coffee shop for $1.99. You can still get that at Ellis Island for $9.99 ($4.39 in 1990 dollars, $2.77 in 1980 dollars). If you want to eat it, godspeed. I'll pass.

  • jpfromla Dec-13-2022
    Gougers
    CET, CET, CET
    Even if we hit an economic downturn, this is the new norm.
    It's like inflation - my $2.99 eggs at Costco are now $4.99,
    when inflation drops back to 2% (and hopefully it will) those eggs are going to stay at $4.99.
    Even during the last recession - Boyd tightened comps, instead of loosening them, because that's all the bean counters understand.
    If a few companies go under due to debt ('errr Eldiablo) due to a recession, more competition might loosen comps and deals.  
    For now stay off-strip and look hard for those deals.

  • Tim Clark Dec-15-2022
    Mad as hell
    I come to Vegas 2 times a year normally for 12-14 days. This last trip of mine, end of Oct-early Nov.Was going to book the same hotel for the same amount of days/same time period. It was no way in hell, they wanted $600 + taxes more than the previous year.Will I still go to Vegas (maybe) twice a year(no way)same length of trip(not on your life)With higher prices and our Canadian $ taking a shit kicking lately may never be back
    

  • rokgpsman Dec-15-2022
    More outsider ownership of casinos needed
    I'm rooting for the new Palms owners to shake up the gridlock that MGM and Caesars (former Harrah's Corp) have on the ever-increasing costs of visiting Las Vegas. Hoping a well-established outsider like the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians can thumb their nose at the vultures ruining Las Vegas for average folks. Probably a pipe dream but there needs to be a more competitive spirit between casinos, wish the state would limit ownership to no more than 4 or 5 casino resorts. There's plenty of casino corporations and wealthy individuals in America that could have a place in Vegas if regulators would allow it and stop being controlled by the mega-casinos already in power. The next severe downturn if Boyd or Station has a financial hiccup MGM or Caesars might buy it. Who wants a town where everything is owned by one or two corporations, they can control room rates, shows, etc as they see fit. Never good for the customer.