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Question of the Day - 23 October 2024

Q:

I was watching some YouTube vlogs and the creator said that a lot of people leave the wager savers on slot machines without playing them. If I see a machine with the wager saver on it, can I play it without getting into trouble? Or is it similar to finding a TITO in the casino, where it’s technically not yours to claim?

A:

[Editor's Note: This answer is provided by Ben Rosenthal, author of our upcoming book Breaking the Slot Code.]

The wager-saver feature on a slot machine is designed to give players one last chance to play when they have a small credit balance that’s insufficient for a full spin. When a player doesn’t have enough credits to cover the minimum bet for a spin, for example 50 cents in credits with a minimum cost to spin of $1, the machine presents a wager-saver option. The player has the option, via a randomized wheel or other visual indicator, to make this final bet. It's almost always a negative proposition, but if the player wins, he or she gets one last spin; lose and the machine swallows the remaining credits.

To go into a little more detail, suppose you start with $100 and you're betting $1 per spin on a penny machine. You're down to 83 cents, so you can no longer make a bet. Time to cash out, right? Not so fast. Many newer machines will prompt you with a wager saver, where you'll have a fractional chance of getting a spin based on whatever percentage of that spin you have left. In other words, if you have 83 cents left in the machine and you're betting $1, you'll have an 83% chance of getting a spin.

Note that it simply means you might get a spin, not that you'll actually win on the spin. It's yet another way for the casino to squeeze every last cent out of you.

Some players get confused by the wager saver and leave the machine with credits remaining on the machine. You don't have to play the wager saver; you can just cash out whatever scraps you have left. But it can be a little bewildering if you don't know what you're looking at.

Anyway, the short answer to the question is that playing off someone else's left-behind wager saver is not allowed, for the exact reason you state. 

Will you get in trouble for playing someone else's wager saver? Highly unlikely, especially if the casino is busy, especially for a fraction of a dollar. And we know a guy who knows a guy who's done so, but he tells us he wouldn't make a habit of it and he certainly wouldn't cash out someone's leftover credits, which is essentially the same as an abandoned TITO. 

Here's one more little wrinkle. The wager saver is used as a workaround to check each bet on an advantage-play game called Buffalo Link. Sticking with 83 cents left in the $1-minimum machine, you stuff the 83-cent voucher in the machine and click through each bet, where you'll be prompted with the wager saver. By clicking "Return to Game," you'll be able to check all the bets for potential advantage plays without sacrificing any spins on lousy numbers.

 

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  • Kevin Lewis Oct-23-2024
    Sounds like......
    ...just another of the bullshit efforts by the casinos to screw you out of fractional cash out amounts. We've already seen the TITOs that you can only cash out at the cage (like anyone's going to stand in line to cash out 83 cents) and the redemption kiosks that urgent you to "donate" those fractional amounts. That money actually goes to the Sheldon Adelson So Right-wing We Fall Off the Edge of the Earth Memorial Fund.

  • DeltaEagle Oct-23-2024
    Objection
    I rise to object to Mr. Lewis’ last comment only. The options I see are legitimate charities. I think that is an excellent alternative procedure. The casino probably takes a deduction but I,do,not care. Next Mr. Adelson is deceased. A little respect for the dead. I doubt any casino other than Venetian would offer the SAARWWFOTEOTEMF as an option. Even if it did exist. Prefer to encourage use of charities alternative instead of complaining. 

  • David Miller Oct-23-2024
    Kevin Lewis
     Apparently any question here in the Las Vegas Advisor is open season for hatred. 

  • Hoppy Oct-23-2024
    Insult saver
    Some people use the last sentence for an insult. 

  • Kevin Lewis Oct-23-2024
    Easily triggered
    I didn't mean to sully the memory of the late, great, and noble Sheldon Adelson, who did so much to help Donald Trump pay his mountainous legal bills. Apparently, some here cherish the man's memory to the point where referring to him in any way but a deep, hushed, reverent whisper is blasphemy. I do apologize for the ruffled feathers.

  • David Miller Oct-23-2024
    Wager Savers
     This was a question about "wager savers" and somehow it was sidetracked into a political bashing by Kevin Lewis. Is there no place in the Advisor where information can be expressed without it being sidetracked into politics? 

  • DeltaEagle Oct-23-2024
    Relevancy
    I did not care for Adelson’s politics. Two points. He is dead. Second and more importantly the family sold the place. With all your posts I assume you know that. So your post did not address the issue of the use of a charity and was nothing more than a gratuitous opportunity to take a punch at a dead person who no longer owns the place. Been a democrat my entire life. Just voted and Adelson would not have liked my votes. 

  • sunny78 Oct-23-2024
    Circus back in town
    How nice it is when the gaslighting angry circus stays away who turns many QOD's into 1 shade of politics hour. I know I'm not alone in saying it's most enjoyable when this clown show stays away and doesn't ruin it for many of us with his political obsessions and rants. 
    
    Now, we know you're getting antsy and angry this time of the year the way things are going, so let me suggest there's this thingy on the internetee called X where you can gaslight, project, and state your pollical views and vent as often as you like on any topic. Professional therapy is also available as another option.

  • Michael B Oct-23-2024
    But...
    So it's a crime to play a wager saver or pull out a 83 cent TITO ticket from a machine.. BUT... walk up and push SPIN on a slot machine someone else is playing and if it wins a jackpot it's yours because you were the one that pressed the button?  Am I missing something here? 

  • Anthony Curtis Oct-23-2024
    Politics no
    From this point forward, all comments of a political nature will be bombed. If I think someone is trying to get cute with something veiled, we'll take down that one and all of that poster's previous comments in this thread. Best to let it be now.

  • sunny78 Oct-23-2024
    Anthony
    Thank you. Long overdue. Like most or all of us, we enjoy this QOD for gambling, not politics. 

  • grouch Oct-23-2024
    charity
    i wonder if,on the tito and it is 83 cents which charity it goes to also if the casino takes a cut on that any one know

  • Ben Rosenthal Oct-23-2024
    Michael B (Wager saver leading to jackpot)
    In that fun hypothetical, it would depend on if anyone reviewed the video footage. If they did and noticed it was someone else's money, there's no chance they would pay.

  • Ben Rosenthal Oct-23-2024
    grouch (charity)
    I'd be very surprised if the casino took a cut. I wouldn't be surprised if they got some sort of tax write-off, though.

  • Matthew Harris Oct-23-2024
    Thanks!
    Thanks for answering my question, very informative! 

  • C Oct-24-2024
    Cents
    So someone leaves8 cents on a machine and it’s out of commission for eternity. Makes perfect sense for everyone involved. 

  • Ben Rosenthal Oct-24-2024
    Cents
    Someone unknowingly or knowingly would sit down pretty quickly and spin it. At a busy casino, you won't see a wager saver sitting on a machine for more than a few minutes.

  • O2bnVegas Oct-26-2024
    Finders keepers?
    Maybe once I saw a "wager saver" (and I never knew the term...thanks!) still on a screen, nobody around, no adjacent player doing a 'hold this machine for me' while somebody went to the bathroom, etc.  I probably played it off.  The one who left it is "losers weepers" IMHO.  
    
    Should I have put the Service light on and stood there waiting for an attendant to come and decide what to do?  Yes.  Likely would require them interrogating the machine for whomever left it, running tapes, etc. 
    
    I have run across cash, wallets, cell phones left in bathrooms, casino or anywhere. I wouldn't dream of pocketing them.  I'd turn it in to management. I'd never play off "credits" left on a machine.  I'd walk away, or if I must play that machine I'd put on the Service light and wait for an attendant to adjudicate things.
    
    Candy