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Question of the Day - 22 December 2022

Q:

Impressive as it is (and has historically been in your valley), Las Vegas and its surrounding communities continue the approvals of developments consisting of massive new projects, additional residential communities, homes, condos, and apartments, notwithstanding the very real threat of there soon being not enough water to handle what’s already in existence, let alone enough to justify approval of these expansion projects. From this outsider’s standpoint, it appears reckless. Can you explain the process and the thinking here? 

A:

This is the kind of interesting and important question that we like to answer, but it's so open-ended ("explain the thinking ...") that we often prefer to punt it to a pundit. Toward that end, we sent it along to UNLV Professor of History Michael Green, who took a crack at it.

As you'll see, he too left it somewhat hanging, so we hope that his response will stimulate a deeper discourse on the question in the comment boxes.

“In some ways the process is reckless; in others, it is very carefully thought out.

“The carefully thought-out part is that numerous restrictions and conservation measures are in place involving water use (lawns, etc.), both in new projects and throughout the community -- to the point that other jurisdictions ranging from California to Israel come to Las Vegas to study this area's approach.

“The recklessness is that, yes, we do not and cannot know the future. But what we know from the past gives limited hope.

"The seven states of the Colorado River Basin divided its waters in what appears to have been a wet period and we obviously are no longer in a wet period. Not only southern Nevada, but all of these areas should be taking more severe measures. However, the history in the Las Vegas area, as well as in other places in the west, is of encouraging development, come what may, when we do not know what may come.”

 

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  • Kevin Lewis Dec-22-2022
    Nevada holds all the aces
    Nevada has only recently been taking even a major portion of its allocation from the Colorado as per the Compact. In lieu of the actual water, Nevada has "banked" its allocations in recent years (that water actually went to CA and AZ) and as a result, its rights are senior in times of "deficit." (That's basically every year since the Compact was signed.)
    
    So when the states start to fight over how to divvy up the remaining water, Nevada can reach out a hand and gently hold back CA and AZ, saying, "Um, we're withdrawing our banked allocation, sorry." Because Vegas's water consumption has been so low historically, Nevada doesn't figure to be affected by the current drought for two or more decades. Of course, CA and AZ are going to be that much more parched if and when NV takes its full share as well as withdraws its banked allocations. My guess is that all the new development is based on NV being able to do just that.

  • Jackie Dec-22-2022
    What's the thinking?
    Simply put -- MONEY!
    Not greed,just money!
    Everyone needs to keep on making money or as some would say A Living.
    Planning boards plan for more tax income to support the local government.
    Contractors for continued existence in producing income.
    Zoning commissions to maximize that income per acre.
    
    WATER?
    Caveat Emptor!
    Water prices and restrictions increase.
    Price increases and restrictions get passed on to consumers if it affected a business.
    Home owners get screwed.
    And the beat goes on!
    
    

  • Rick Sanchez Dec-22-2022
    Not all Aces
    While Kevin is correct in saying NV has held back a lot of water. It can only stop CA and AZ from taking it if it is there. Also I would almost bet that if it came down to it the Govt would demand NV give up some of that water if it was needed in other states.  

  • kafka45 Dec-22-2022
    Hold back.
     IF.... the water thing gets as bad as many seem to feel it will.. don't even think that CA..AZ.. and the FEDS.. will say about any agreement...  "That was then.. this is NOW" and invalidate anything in "national interest".  NV should not feel protected period.

  • DwWashburn9 Dec-22-2022
    Politics
    Several decades ago the head of the water authority noticed that more connections were being sold than water to support them so she put a moratorium on issuing new permits. Contractors exploded and complained to their bought-and-paid commissioners. Long story short -- the water authority lost and the big money contractors won.  The advertised philosophy from that point forward for the water authority was that controlling growth was the responsibility of the county, not the water agency.  Pity.

  • Pat Higgins Dec-22-2022
    Big Tex
    If growth continues at its current rate it’s just a matter of when “the you know what” hits the fan.  Will certainly be interesting when this happens.  Just hope the boys in charge don’t wait too long before they get there act together.
    

  • Lotel Dec-22-2022
    Common sense  vs Science 
    In the long run Common  sense or science will win.  Science  develops an affordable way to convert ocean water to safe potable water . Or common sense tells you don't have millions  of people live and farm in the middle of a  desert it is not sustainable 

  • Randall Ward Dec-22-2022
    development 
    every metro area in US is like this, they need the growth and new $ to sustain the present spending.  

  • Doc H Dec-22-2022
    a matter of time
    It's just a matter of time before the 'easy' surface river water & ground water can't sustain demand in the southwest states. State senior rights? Right, just like other laws and rules today are conveniently ignored like thumbing nose at fed law creating 'sanctuary cities' for political gain. Nevada is also a tiny piece of it, there's a much bigger population in CA and AZ with what I believe has far more clout, $. Regardless, the writing on the wall is piping in water, desalination, recycle waste water via RO-sterilization directly back to tap like Orange County has been doing for a while now will be required. Eventually the far left loonies that run large parts of our gubermint and states like CA who resist common sense solutions like wide scale desalination will eventually have to face reality unless they demand close up shop in the southwest & tell people to move out and close all the casinos down to stay 'green' $$$. I'd say that's insane but with the far left, you never know.  

  • David Miller Dec-22-2022
    Here's a Suggestion
     Doc H- Since California has 840 miles of coastline and an untapped work force consisting of the homeless and illegal aliens, they should be able to immediately start construction of desalination plants in order to provide their unquenchable thirst for water. A win-win for all. That would allow the landlocked states to share in the water that is going to California.

  • Doc H Dec-22-2022
    Like
    David, I like your idea. Frankly love it. Win-win indeed for all. It allows illegal's to pay back the CA and Fed taxpayers the nice 'freebies', protections, and rights they get like 'free' health insurance and such that for some odd reason our family still has to pay for. And I know for a fact it's not nearly as good as the free ride they get with MediCal. oh well, following the rule of law is for suckers I guess these days, right? And I'm one of them suckers. 

  • rokgpsman Dec-22-2022
    Save it or lose it
    The single biggest use of water in a residence is for flushing the toilet, the next biggest use is taking baths. If all homes and apartments removed bathtubs (had a shower only) and if they converted the toilet to a dry (waterless) style toilet millions of gallons of water in the city would be saved each year. Modern waterless toilets exist and work well enough to be considered in areas where water is scarce. And they have no more odor than an ordinary toilet. Your poop is about 75% water, and using water to remove the poop from your home to the sewage treatment facility is terribly inefficient. By drying your human waste in a waterless toilet system it is reduced to a much, much smaller size that makes disposal of it easier than the sanitary waste sewer system we use in cities today. Cities with plenty of cheap water will never change, but other cities like Las Vegas will eventually have to look at every alternative. 

  • rokgpsman Dec-22-2022
    Creative solutions outside the US
    Forgot to say, in the very crowded city of Hong Kong they are already using seawater to flush toilets. Newer built businesses and homes have two water pipes, one carries seawater for the toilet, the other is freshwater for everything else. This was found to greatly lessen the need for freshwater in a city with over 7 million people. Plastic pipes, ceramic and plastic toilets work fine with seawater, and seawater is limitless for a coastal city. Obviously this wouldn't work for Las Vegas, but it shows that the water shortage problem should be looked at in creative ways. Cities like Phoenix with large semiconductor factories use tremendous amounts of fresh water, that wastewater could be piped to area homes for use as toilet flushing. 

  • Timothy Grant Dec-23-2022
    Suggestion
    Here on the east coast where we only think we have water problems most new construction of public buildings use waterless urinals.  Imagine the millions of gallons of water that would be saved each year if all the urinals in the existing casinos were switched to waterless.  A place like the MGM probably has somewhere around 100 of them and each one uses approximately 1 gallon per flush. The savings would add up in a hurry.

  • 96BPD Dec-24-2022
    Water credits 
    The simple reason is that Las Vegas recycles its water, and any water that flows through the sewer system back to the wash is measured and is a credit to what is withdrawn. So it doesn't matter how long you shower, but the water district cares very much if you put that water on grass or in a business's evaporative cooler since that water just goes into the ether.