What can the Blackjack dealer say?

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Surrender 16 against 9, 10 or Ace.  Otherwise hit.

 

Surrender 15 against 10 or Ace.  Otherwise hit.

 

Surrender 17 against  Ace.  Otherwise stand.

 

Surrender 8,8 against Ace.  Otherwise split.

 

If single deck, Surrender 7,7 against 10; in multi-deck hit.

 

(From my strategy card:  4-8 decks, dealer hits on soft 17.)

 

 

Early surrender, fold immediately, player keeps half the bet.

Late surrender:  Dealer upcard is Ace.  Player waits for dealer to check.  If blackjack, the hand is over and player loses entire bet.  If not blackjack, player can Surrender and keeps half the bet.

 

As always, "when allowed."  Don't look for it on the felt.  Just try it.  If not allowed the dealer will say so, nothing lost.

 

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Is this late surrender or early surrender strategy? It seems to me that it's early surrender, which you basically NEVER see any more.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Is this late surrender or early surrender strategy? It seems to me that it's early surrender, which you basically NEVER see any more.

 

I never knew about EARLY surrender, where the player can surrender BEFORE the Ace is checked for a blackjack.  Keeps half the bet.  Probably is the one rarely, if ever, offered since it is good for the player. 

 

LATE surrender, player must wait until dealer peeks.  If blackjack, player hand loses.  If no blackjack, player can surrender, getting half the bet back.

 

As well as surrendering 15 or 16 according to basic strategy, good for the player.

 

Many players are unaware of surrender at all.

 

Surrender isn't the same as insurance or even money, which are declared before the dealer peeks.

 

 

Candy

 

 

 

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

 

I never knew about EARLY surrender, where the player can surrender BEFORE the Ace is checked for a blackjack.  Keeps half the bet.  Probably is the one rarely, if ever, offered since it is good for the player. 

 

LATE surrender, player must wait until dealer peeks.  If blackjack, player hand loses.  If no blackjack, player can surrender, getting half the bet back.

 

As well as surrendering 15 or 16 according to basic strategy, good for the player.

 

Many players are unaware of surrender at all.

 

Surrender isn't the same as insurance or even money, which are declared before the dealer peeks.

 

 

Candy

 

 

 


In Spanish 21, the variant where the 10s are removed and the player is afforded all sorts of extra options and payouts to compensate, late surrender is allowed, and almost every player seems to know it. You signal it by using your finger to draw an imaginary line below your bet when it's your turn. You actually use surrender far more often in Spanish 21 than regular 21.

 

There's a unique variation on the theme in that you can surrender after you've doubled down. Let's say you double on 11 against a high card and get something like a 3 or a 5. You can now surrender and retain half your bet. This is a terrific option, because you only play the hand out when you end up with a decent total.

 

The game is very popular in Washington and Oregon, particularly in the small casino card clubs in Washington, where the table minimums are always $5 and occasionally $3. The game is pretty slow-paced and has a much more relaxed atmosphere than $25 minimum shitjack in some Nevada corporate casino megatoilet. I recommend that people come up to Washington in the summer, when it's glorious up there, and try some lower-intensity gambling.

 

Spanish 21, played with proper Basic Strategy and the best rules, offers you a -0.42% house edge. It's actually a great game. Washington also has a much better version of Pai Gow Poker, where no commission is charged on winning bets, making the house edge much lower than the same game elsewhere.

 

If you're gonna have yourself a gambling vacay, consider a trip to Washington, where it's 70 degrees and sunny, rather than going to Nevada, where it's 108 degrees and way, way too sunny. Now's the time of year to be in the Pacific Northwest, and to avoid Vegas.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

In Spanish 21, the variant where the 10s are removed and the player is afforded all sorts of extra options and payouts to compensate, late surrender is allowed, and almost every player seems to know it. You signal it by using your finger to draw an imaginary line below your bet when it's your turn. You actually use surrender far more often in Spanish 21 than regular 21.

 

There's a unique variation on the theme in that you can surrender after you've doubled down. Let's say you double on 11 against a high card and get something like a 3 or a 5. You can now surrender and retain half your bet. This is a terrific option, because you only play the hand out when you end up with a decent total.

 

The game is very popular in Washington and Oregon, particularly in the small casino card clubs in Washington, where the table minimums are always $5 and occasionally $3. The game is pretty slow-paced and has a much more relaxed atmosphere than $25 minimum shitjack in some Nevada corporate casino megatoilet. I recommend that people come up to Washington in the summer, when it's glorious up there, and try some lower-intensity gambling.

 

Spanish 21, played with proper Basic Strategy and the best rules, offers you a -0.42% house edge. It's actually a great game. Washington also has a much better version of Pai Gow Poker, where no commission is charged on winning bets, making the house edge much lower than the same game elsewhere.

 

If you're gonna have yourself a gambling vacay, consider a trip to Washington, where it's 70 degrees and sunny, rather than going to Nevada, where it's 108 degrees and way, way too sunny. Now's the time of year to be in the Pacific Northwest, and to avoid Vegas.


Just a heads up for those who may not know. There is no proper video poker in Washington State. There are machines that look like video poker but they are not. They are basically virtual lottery scratcher ticket machines. 

 

The results are determined as soon one hits the deal button and holding cards and drawing are just for show. 

 

The slot machines there are not independent RNG slots despite the fact that many casinos market "Vegas style machines" they are either bingo machines or video lottery terminals. 


Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Just a heads up for those who may not know. There is no proper video poker in Washington State. There are machines that look like video poker but they are not. They are basically virtual lottery scratcher ticket machines. 

 

The results are determined as soon one hits the deal button and holding cards and drawing are just for show. 

 

The slot machines there are not independent RNG slots despite the fact that many casinos market "Vegas style machines" they are either bingo machines or video lottery terminals. 


Those Class II games are still in a lot of the Oklahoma casinos, the tribes keep some of them because they pay less to the state than on the Class III slots. I think they're labeled but I don't remember for sure

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Just a heads up for those who may not know. There is no proper video poker in Washington State. There are machines that look like video poker but they are not. They are basically virtual lottery scratcher ticket machines. 

 

The results are determined as soon one hits the deal button and holding cards and drawing are just for show. 

 

The slot machines there are not independent RNG slots despite the fact that many casinos market "Vegas style machines" they are either bingo machines or video lottery terminals. 


That's true. Oregon native casinos have VP, but the paytables aren't great and the players' clubs are pretty pathetic. The slots are normal Vegas-style machines. There are a few such casinos, all reasonably sized--they're attached to a hotel and bill themselves as "destination resorts"--and they vary in convenience and access. A couple are in the middle of nowhere, one is right on I-5, and a few are out on the coast.

 

A Pacific Northwest gambling trip would be fun for those who would like the experience the area while dumping some money.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's true. Oregon native casinos have VP, but the paytables aren't great and the players' clubs are pretty pathetic. The slots are normal Vegas-style machines. There are a few such casinos, all reasonably sized--they're attached to a hotel and bill themselves as "destination resorts"--and they vary in convenience and access. A couple are in the middle of nowhere, one is right on I-5, and a few are out on the coast.

 

A Pacific Northwest gambling trip would be fun for those who would like the experience the area while dumping some money.


I went to Spirit Mountain in Oregon once. I think that's the only casino in Oregon I've been to. 

 

Been to a few in Washington. I live pretty close to a couple but very rarely go. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I went to Spirit Mountain in Oregon once. I think that's the only casino in Oregon I've been to. 

 

Been to a few in Washington. I live pretty close to a couple but very rarely go. 


The best casino weekend in Oregon would be to go out to Chinook Winds in Lincoln City. Not the most thrilling casino in the world, but it makes for a good home base as you explore the area, and earning comps is pretty easy.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The best casino weekend in Oregon would be to go out to Chinook Winds in Lincoln City. Not the most thrilling casino in the world, but it makes for a good home base as you explore the area, and earning comps is pretty easy.


I went to Lincoln City several years ago for the eclipse. Didn't make it to the casino but it's a cool little town.  

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I went to Lincoln City several years ago for the eclipse. Didn't make it to the casino but it's a cool little town.  


Well, it's a shame to go all the way out there and smell the fresh air, and then go inside the smoky casino, especially when there's a zillion other things to do in the vicinity. But I know some people who like to gamble and then use the players' club offers to get a relatively inexpensive room, especially on the weekends when everything zooms skyward.

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