3 counties in Texas have run out of ICU beds.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That so-called "statistic" is old and tired and will be old and tired the next time you drag it out--which will be, I think, the 131st time.

 

You have never shown us any causation. You imply that those cities are dangerous BECAUSE they're "run by Democrats" (which isn't true, but let's say that it is for the moment). But all you have is correlation--not causation.

 

People a lot sharper than you realize that correlation does not equal causation. But I can see how that concept might elude you--especially if you want to jump to a conclusion you like. That's simply poor thinking.

 

I'm sure that all the cities you're talking about have major league sports teams, lots of Chinese restaurants, and fleets of taxicabs. Therefore, using your strange brand of logic, Chinese restaurants cause violence. So do major league sports teams, and we'd better get rid of all those violent taxicabs.


NYS led by Democrats passed in January 2019 a no bail law along with other rules that made it more difficult to convict criminals. 

Crime in NY has gone up significantly as criminals are released, rearrested, released & rearrested. 

Originally posted by: David Miller

In spite of this - "That makes no sense whatsoever. The nursing home would have known every step of the way what was going on. They would have known exactly what their residents were diagnosed with and what their prognosis was. That is how nursing homes work. Somebody at the nursing home would have signed off on it every step of the way from the transfer to the hospital to when they accepted the patients back." ---1000's of these nursing home residents died, many needlessly, because of Cumo's murderous mandate. There is no way you can honestly rationalize the actions of Cuomo - he is a murderer.

 


Nobody disputes people died. Where would you have sent the patients? Back to their homes with a trained nursing staff or someplace else? If someplace else, where would you have sent them?

 

If we follow the argument you and Tom are making, Abbott is a child murderer.

 

Originally posted by: Mark

Nobody disputes people died. Where would you have sent the patients? Back to their homes with a trained nursing staff or someplace else? If someplace else, where would you have sent them?

 

If we follow the argument you and Tom are making, Abbott is a child murderer.

 


Well, they could have done what Texas is considering.  Using empty stadiums, schools and so on if needed.  Texas has arranged for retired personel to man these facilities if needed.  It does not look like this will be needed however.  The few hospitals who are showing full to near full ICU units can easily expand.  One hospital administrator said they they typically (pre-corona) run 80-90% of stated capacity, and regularly hit 100%.  They simply make some changes and boom, they have the same number of patients, yet they have excess capacity.  He went on to say that his comments addressing 100% capacity was an effort to urge people to be careful, but it inadvertantly gave a false narrative on the hospital's true capacity to handle more intensive care patients.

Originally posted by: Mark

Nobody disputes people died. Where would you have sent the patients? Back to their homes with a trained nursing staff or someplace else? If someplace else, where would you have sent them?

 

If we follow the argument you and Tom are making, Abbott is a child murderer.

 


Let's try this again. 

The Comfort ship, the Javits Center, the Westchester County Center. These 3 facilities were capable of handling virus cases & were under utilized. 

But this has been pointed out several times before. 


Originally posted by: tom

Let's try this again. 

The Comfort ship, the Javits Center, the Westchester County Center. These 3 facilities were capable of handling virus cases & were under utilized. 

But this has been pointed out several times before. 


That hasn't been pointed out before because it isn't true.

 

Those overflow facilities weren't "UNDERutilized." Look up the word. They ultimately weren't needed to the extent that it was feared they would be. You would probably say that a ship's lifeboats are "underutilized" when the ship doesn't actually start sinking.

 

You're being deliberately stupid--or hypocritical, I don't know or care which--by ignoring the fact that those facilities weren't ready at the time NYC authorities made the decisions you pretend to be so outraged about--nor were they EVER intended to handle critical ICU patients.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Well, they could have done what Texas is considering.  Using empty stadiums, schools and so on if needed.  Texas has arranged for retired personel to man these facilities if needed.  It does not look like this will be needed however.  The few hospitals who are showing full to near full ICU units can easily expand.  One hospital administrator said they they typically (pre-corona) run 80-90% of stated capacity, and regularly hit 100%.  They simply make some changes and boom, they have the same number of patients, yet they have excess capacity.  He went on to say that his comments addressing 100% capacity was an effort to urge people to be careful, but it inadvertantly gave a false narrative on the hospital's true capacity to handle more intensive care patients.


In theory right? Texas started with the children's hospital as their first option.

Originally posted by: tom

Let's try this again. 

The Comfort ship, the Javits Center, the Westchester County Center. These 3 facilities were capable of handling virus cases & were under utilized. 

But this has been pointed out several times before. 


The confort ship was under control of the Federal Government not the State government. It wasn't  even ready to recive patients when it arrived.  Trump sent it as a PR move. Kevin hit the nail on the head. These decisions were made before any of these other options existed. They were sent to facilities with trained medical staff. There isn't much that can be done medically when a frail elderly person gets COVID-19.

 

The ship as well as the Javits Center ws requested by cuomo.

 

From NPR, which shows the facilities as undereused & where nursing home patients could have been admitted.  How many times does this hav to be posted before the TDS gang realizes they are wrong

 

A temporary hospital set up at a Manhattan's Javits Center has also seen lower-than-projected patient volume. As of Saturday, the facility had treated a total of about 1,100 patients, with 125 still receiving care.

First envisioned as a 2,500-bed field hospital for people without the disease, the convention center was soon converted to a coronavirus-only hospital but topped out at about 500 beds.

The 1,000-bed hospital ship, which has been docked at a Manhattan pier since March 30, originally was deployed to care for patients without coronavirus but wound up switching gears and started accepting them as the city's hospitals became overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients.

As of Saturday, the ship had treated just 182 patients. There was just one patient left on the ship late Saturday evening.

Kevin and Mark are liars. Facilities other than retirement homes WERE available for use but were not used.

I've not read a reasonable argument from Mark, Kevin and Mustard about NY failed.

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