Are You Conservatives Taking Your Hydroxychloroquine?

Analyze her results any way you want - she thanked President Trump and is currently alive. By the way there is a great difference between getting lucky playing for a jackpot and saving a person's life. No science needed to comprehend that fact. When this pandemic ends, then and only then the facts will come out as to the effectivness of this drug. In the meantime when faced with certain death, it is an option that has been proven to work.  If choosing that option is considered "ignorant" then you can rightfully call me "ignorant". I would rather be alive and called a "science-denier" than be dead and considered and one who "understands" science.

Originally posted by: David Miller

Analyze her results any way you want - she thanked President Trump and is currently alive. By the way there is a great difference between getting lucky playing for a jackpot and saving a person's life. No science needed to comprehend that fact. When this pandemic ends, then and only then the facts will come out as to the effectivness of this drug. In the meantime when faced with certain death, it is an option that has been proven to work.  If choosing that option is considered "ignorant" then you can rightfully call me "ignorant". I would rather be alive and called a "science-denier" than be dead and considered and one who "understands" science.


And I'm sure if you split tens at the blackjack table and won both hands, you'd claim that was a smart move too.

 

It isn't.

Every medicine is poison.  Every type of general anesthesia is poison.  Every had surgery under general anesthesia?  You took poison.  But you are in the larger group of folks who didn't react negatively. 

 

Penicillin was a wonder drug when discovered, saved (still saves) a lot of lives back then.  Some humans, though, are highly allergic to it, have died after taking it.   Every medication has a risk.   

 

Newer treatments (immunotherapy) for some vicious cancers (sarcoma, for example) are still in clinical trial.  Highly, highly expensive, so much so that nobody can afford them.  They offer possible success, but at the same time they can turn the immune system against the patient and death may ensue quickly.   Patients (or parents of child) are warned of this possiblity, but in those desperate situations many will opt for treatment if approved (by medical boards).  Former pres Jimmy Carter had sarcoma in his brain while in his 90s (he still is).  He took immunotherapy and achieved a cure.  My 20 year old nephew was found to have same type of sarcoma filling his lungs (first ever chest x-ray, he had a mild cough, senior in college).  He went to one of the cancer centers, got approved for the same type treatments as Jimmy Carter.  He/parents opted in for it.  Didn't help.  At another center a different but same category treatment was offered, he took it.  Seemed to improve for a short time, then he crashed and burned (awful term but you get it).   The parents have no regrets for trying the treatments, since otherwise he had NO chance.  Did the treatment do him in or the disease?  You guys would say if Trump was around that Trump killed my nephew.   Which of course would be majorly silly.

 

 

Originally posted by: MisterPicture

And I'm sure if you split tens at the blackjack table and won both hands, you'd claim that was a smart move too.

 

It isn't.


Blackjack is too hard for Davie-boy. He only has 10 fingers and 10 toes...


I posted links to the studies in France and Brazil here before. Both had to be terminated because too many of the patients were dying of the heart condition caused by the drug. Another study in France concluded there was no therapeutic effect for COVID patients taking chloroquine.  In fact, the group of patients not getting the drug had better outcomes.  The bottom line there is no scientific evidence pointing to chloroquine doing anything for  COVID-19 patients other than giving them severe heart problems. 


What we do know is since Trump started touting it as a miracle cure a lot of those taking it for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis haven't been able to get the drug. We do know chloroquine helps with those conditions because we have scientific evidence that says so. Those folks have needlessly suffered.

 

 

Hamster wheel. 

Originally posted by: Candy Wright

Every medicine is poison.  Every type of general anesthesia is poison.  Every had surgery under general anesthesia?  You took poison.  But you are in the larger group of folks who didn't react negatively. 


Wow, what an ignorant argument. So every medicine carries a risk, so hey gang, let's try heroin and see if it works too!

 

And prescribing a drug because you heard it worked for a friend of a friend is pure idiocy. About a hundred veterans died who were taking Donald J. Trump's miracle elixir. Obviously some of those patients would have died anyway, but a medical statistician can figure out about how many died prematurely. If it can be shown that the study was done based on political pressure rather than sound medical principals, some people need to go to prison for murder.

Originally posted by: Jeff

"To determine the efficacy of treatment involves analyzing metadata to design the procedure, randomizing subjects, controlling for observer bias, using double-blind methods to avoid influencing subjects and staff, testing a large enough population to infer results, and using accepted statistical techniques to analyze the results. And then replicating the above with similar studies."

Could you brake that down using smaller word's? I thought if someone took a pill and got better, it was do to the pill. R U saying that's not true?


I'll explain that to you in detail, since Stalker also doesn't seem to understand it.

 

Event A happens. Then Event B happens. That does NOT mean Event A CAUSED Event B.

 

In this case, you can't say that the medication was responsible for the patient's recovery, any more than you could say that she ate a banana nut muffin on Tuesday and felt better on Wednesday, so the reason she recovered was the highly efficacious banana nut muffin therapy she received.

 

Though if Trump recommended it, there'd be a run on the muffin boxes at Costco.

Originally posted by: Candy Wright

Every medicine is poison.  Every type of general anesthesia is poison.  Every had surgery under general anesthesia?  You took poison.  But you are in the larger group of folks who didn't react negatively. 

 

Penicillin was a wonder drug when discovered, saved (still saves) a lot of lives back then.  Some humans, though, are highly allergic to it, have died after taking it.   Every medication has a risk.   

 

Newer treatments (immunotherapy) for some vicious cancers (sarcoma, for example) are still in clinical trial.  Highly, highly expensive, so much so that nobody can afford them.  They offer possible success, but at the same time they can turn the immune system against the patient and death may ensue quickly.   Patients (or parents of child) are warned of this possiblity, but in those desperate situations many will opt for treatment if approved (by medical boards).  Former pres Jimmy Carter had sarcoma in his brain while in his 90s (he still is).  He took immunotherapy and achieved a cure.  My 20 year old nephew was found to have same type of sarcoma filling his lungs (first ever chest x-ray, he had a mild cough, senior in college).  He went to one of the cancer centers, got approved for the same type treatments as Jimmy Carter.  He/parents opted in for it.  Didn't help.  At another center a different but same category treatment was offered, he took it.  Seemed to improve for a short time, then he crashed and burned (awful term but you get it).   The parents have no regrets for trying the treatments, since otherwise he had NO chance.  Did the treatment do him in or the disease?  You guys would say if Trump was around that Trump killed my nephew.   Which of course would be majorly silly.

 

 


Candy, the fact remains that taking a drug that has been shown to have no therapeutic value (for treating CoVid-19) and carries a risk of cardiac arrest is stupid, even as a desperation measure.

 

The difference between your various fanciful scenarios and Trump's Wonder Drug is that for the latter, several clinical trials worldwide have been conducted. It's worse than ineffective.

 

 

 

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