Bidenomics

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Surprisingly, I agree that the election funding machine and process is rife with real and potential corruption; money and power retention are the primary bases for corruption processes to form and propagate. Addressing what you brought up is a critical part of the follow up after term limit legislation is enacted. In many tentacled ways, these separate influences are intertwined ..and perhaps inseparable  IMO, both are two potential solutions towards a fix. I don't know how we limit potential corruption for the average human soul, though...and fallibility.


I've got it. Poll the entire eligible citizenry. Ask them if they want to be President. Hold a lottery of those who say "no" and force the winner to serve.

Regarding term limits....I give you freshman Senator, Kysten Sinema who will leave office after one term and go work as a lobbyist for the same groups that paid her campaign to be against drug price reductions and minimum wage increases.    And she'll make double what she did in the government.

 

term limits arent the answer

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Regarding term limits....I give you freshman Senator, Kysten Sinema who will leave office after one term and go work as a lobbyist for the same groups that paid her campaign to be against drug price reductions and minimum wage increases.    And she'll make double what she did in the government.

 

term limits arent the answer


I love it when someone making two hundred grand a year rails against people who make nine dollars an hour getting wage increases. Or against them being able to afford the medications that keep them alive.

 

We don't have poor people in this country just by chance. We have active efforts to keep them that way.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Regarding term limits....I give you freshman Senator, Kysten Sinema who will leave office after one term and go work as a lobbyist for the same groups that paid her campaign to be against drug price reductions and minimum wage increases.    And she'll make double what she did in the government.

 

term limits arent the answer


I disagree..I believe term limit legislation is a component of a potential fix. I never meant to suggest it was the be all, end all solution..just a component. I also agree with your inferred  corruption influences; again, I don't know how one can expect any human to have a 100% pure soul and never screw up..no human has ever exhibited that, despite any claims. I'm not defending Sinema..or anybody else for that matter. And in the end, as always, people will believe what they want to believe, even after presented evidence to the contrary. Currently, loyal Biden and Trump followers practice that daily in spite of   degrees of nefarious allegations for both. The Kitchen Sink is a classic example of that...a miniscule microcosm of the ideological and moral compass chasm we see every day in DC. We're simply on opposite sides..it will not likely change. So we vote..then drink cheap beer...and maybe gamble ( in no particular order, necessarily). Just another never ending, seldom enjoyable vicious cycle. At least you offered an alternate reasonable potential part of the problem and potential solution.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I've got it. Poll the entire eligible citizenry. Ask them if they want to be President. Hold a lottery of those who say "no" and force the winner to serve.


EG..we're all just masochists? Slap me, beat me, make me write more hot checks?

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

EG..we're all just masochists? Slap me, beat me, make me write more hot checks?


No...a person so appointed would hopefully serve from a sense of duty, not a coldblooded calculation of how much swag and adoration he/she could accumulate as a result.

 

Of course, it's a trick that would only really work once...but we could at least make the disqualifications permanent.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

I disagree..I believe term limit legislation is a component of a potential fix. I never meant to suggest it was the be all, end all solution..just a component. I also agree with your inferred  corruption influences; again, I don't know how one can expect any human to have a 100% pure soul and never screw up..no human has ever exhibited that, despite any claims. I'm not defending Sinema..or anybody else for that matter. And in the end, as always, people will believe what they want to believe, even after presented evidence to the contrary. Currently, loyal Biden and Trump followers practice that daily in spite of   degrees of nefarious allegations for both. The Kitchen Sink is a classic example of that...a miniscule microcosm of the ideological and moral compass chasm we see every day in DC. We're simply on opposite sides..it will not likely change. So we vote..then drink cheap beer...and maybe gamble ( in no particular order, necessarily). Just another never ending, seldom enjoyable vicious cycle. At least you offered an alternate reasonable potential part of the problem and potential solution.


Once again, I reject the false equivalence position that saying Trump is innocent of wrongdoing and Biden is innocent of wrongdoing are just opposite sides of the same argument and are equally valid. I also don't think that Democratic misgovernance has been even remotely comparable to Republican misgovernance, so saying that both sides fuck up is also a dog that don't hunt.

 

Maybe....fifty? years ago, this was a legitimate ideological debate and there was validity to both sides' positions. Now, however, it's a contest wherein one side's definition of simple reality is...how shall I put it...unique and original. It's virtually impossible to discuss anything or find common ground with people whose criteria for what is real and what isn't differ from yours.

 

IMHO, when one side believes there are such things as "alternative facts," the breach is too wide to be repaired, if for no other reason that by this point, conservative cognitive dissonance has fully taken over. Less painful to keep on spouting the nonsense than to admit you were full of horse pucky all along.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Once again, I reject the false equivalence position that saying Trump is innocent of wrongdoing and Biden is innocent of wrongdoing are just opposite sides of the same argument and are equally valid. I also don't think that Democratic misgovernance has been even remotely comparable to Republican misgovernance, so saying that both sides fuck up is also a dog that don't hunt.

 

Maybe....fifty? years ago, this was a legitimate ideological debate and there was validity to both sides' positions. Now, however, it's a contest wherein one side's definition of simple reality is...how shall I put it...unique and original. It's virtually impossible to discuss anything or find common ground with people whose criteria for what is real and what isn't differ from yours.

 

IMHO, when one side believes there are such things as "alternative facts," the breach is too wide to be repaired, if for no other reason that by this point, conservative cognitive dissonance has fully taken over. Less painful to keep on spouting the nonsense than to admit you were full of horse pucky all along.


If I admit I'm full of 'horse pucky' and alternate facts, I've insulted myself and my own principles. You want your cake and are hypocritically swallowing it at the same time. Simultaneously,  nobody on the planet is errorless..or mistake free, including myself and you. Who said either Biden or Trump were innocent and who made a statement about their comparative sin levels? Your formed opinions about R vs D misgovernance comparisons are based on your beliefs..so are mine. Debating with you is like debating with a tree stump or a truck tire. You routinely discover some way to produce some offensive insult or personal charge in nearly every post you make to or about conservative individuals or groups. That approach indicates you too have ascribed to some form of intolerant dogma that you routinely claim your opponents are guilty of. So, go pee off your self-proclaimed lofty balcony onto somebody else besides me. We incessantly disagree and have disparate solutions to problems...big deal. Ain't we special?!  Not particularly.

Originally posted by: David Miller

  Charles - do you remember that I told you/warned you about trying to have a sane, thuthful conversation with Lewis as to what the result would be? Now you have experienced exactly what I said would happen. Your good intentions have gone for naught and all that has transpired is as you have described. Lewis is and will always be a lying, hateful scourge - he is truly mentally ill. 


"Mentally ill" is "disagrees with me" in Davidspeak. He's mad at me because I keep refuting and schooling him.

 

A "thuthful conversation" in Davidspeak is one where your opinions are the thame ath hith.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

If I admit I'm full of 'horse pucky' and alternate facts, I've insulted myself and my own principles. You want your cake and are hypocritically swallowing it at the same time. Simultaneously,  nobody on the planet is errorless..or mistake free, including myself and you. Who said either Biden or Trump were innocent and who made a statement about their comparative sin levels? Your formed opinions about R vs D misgovernance comparisons are based on your beliefs..so are mine. Debating with you is like debating with a tree stump or a truck tire. You routinely discover some way to produce some offensive insult or personal charge in nearly every post you make to or about conservative individuals or groups. That approach indicates you too have ascribed to some form of intolerant dogma that you routinely claim your opponents are guilty of. So, go pee off your self-proclaimed lofty balcony onto somebody else besides me. We incessantly disagree and have disparate solutions to problems...big deal. Ain't we special?!  Not particularly.


Maybe you don't realize that the Republican party and the conservative movement in general has shat all over those principles of yours? That the party that keeps invoking the Founding Fathers and the Constitution repeatedly betrays both?

 

You see, Charles, I don't want to debate with you. I want you to see, if not admit (gods forbid) that your gang has gone completely off the rails. That it's no longer one reasonable worldview versus another any more. You think that I disdain the RepubliQ because I disagree with their ideology. WRONG! I disdain them because they've turned into some evil Loony Tunes version of their former selves. What they've done to the rights of various vulnerable groups absolutely appalls me. Those myriad actions leave ideological territory and cross over moral boundaries.

 

But you may not have the strength to shake loose from your cognitive dissonance. Look, I get it. You've been part of the gang all your life and now that they've started selling drugs and holding up liquor stores, you're uneasy but you still want to hang with them. So you ignore, belittle, or dismiss their crimes/actions. Feels better than admitting that you're running with a gang of amoral thugs.

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