China's handling of their people during this crisis

And I suppose all your grammar errors are "typos," too?

 

I use a keyboard, too. I make typographical errors, too.

 

The difference between you and me is that I recognize and fix them.

 

Your spelling skills are well developed enough that you would have earned a solid "C" in my fourth grade class. You would have passed, though! Why were you held back so often?

You do a great job of posting, all 6 times of this post - I give you a solid F-.

Edited on Apr 10, 2020 10:03am
Originally posted by: Don

Umm, . . . where had the European outbreak originated ?

 

Here's the Answer :

"As of Wednesday, the World Health Organization (WHO) said that 80,980 people had been infected with the coronavirus, which originated in China."


So Don, if I understand you correctly, either because of criminal negligence, criminal secrecy, or despicable deliberate action, basically CHINA LAUNCHED AN ATTACK ON THE U.S., KILLING THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS. Right?

 

At which point the President of the United States and his administration:

* Failed to detect it

* Failed to take any retribution against China

* Failed to warn Americans

* Failed to equip Americans, especially our frontline troops, our medical heroes

 

Hmmm, maybe you are right!

 

Mister Picture inquires if poor old DonDiego opines that the People's Republic of China "LAUNCHED AN ATTACK ON THE U.S., KILLING THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS, because of criminal negligence, criminal secrecy, or despicable deliberate action."

 

Poor old DonDiego is insufficiently skilled to opine on the use of the term "criminal" as applied to possible "negligence", . . . and even more so to the term "secrecy".

 

Poor old DonDiego is unaware of any evidence that the release of the Covid-19 Coronavirus was a "despicable deliberate action".

 

DonDiego supposes the opinion of the Professor he cites below best define his own thoughts on the matter: 

 

From Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists :

******** quote *****

Professor Richard Ebright of Rutgers University Waksman Institute of Microbiology . . . thinks that it is possible the COVID-19 pandemic started as an accidental release from a laboratory such as one of the two in Wuhan that are known to have been studying bat coronaviruses.

Except for SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, two deadly viruses that have caused outbreaks in the past, coronaviruses have been studied at laboratories that are labelled as operating at a moderate biosafety level known as BSL-2, Ebright says. And, he says, bat coronaviruses have been studied at such labs in and around Wuhan, China, where the new coronavirus first emerged. “As a result,” Ebright says, “bat coronaviruses at Wuhan [Center for Disease Control] and Wuhan Institute of Virology routinely were collected and studied at BSL-2, which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers.”

Higher safety-level labs would be appropriate for a virus with the characteristics of the new coronavirus causing the current pandemic. “Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose substantial risk of infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” Ebright says.

Ebright points out that scientists in Wuhan have collected and publicized a bat coronavirus called RaTG13, one that is  96 percent genetically similar to SARS-CoV-2. The Nature Medicine authors are arguing “against the hypothesis that the published, lab-collected, lab-stored bat coronavirus RaTG13 could be a proximal progenitor of the outbreak virus.” But, Ebright says, the authors relied on assumptions about when the viral ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped to humans; how fast it evolved before that; how fast it evolved as it adapted to humans; and the possibility that that the virus may have mutated in cell cultures or experimental animals inside a lab.

The Nature Medicine authors "leave us where we were before: with a basis to rule out [a coronavirus that is] a lab construct, but no basis to rule out a lab accident," Ebright says.

*****endquote*****

n.b. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists article cited above also presents expert opinions which do not concur with a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.  Hence the conclusion of the final sentence, quoted above.

Oh, . . . one other recent observation:  apparently the much-cited Wuhan Wet Market was not engaged in sales of bats around the time of the release of the virus.

 

Conclusion:

The above referenced article and others which poor old DonDiego has read over the last few weeks suggests that a pathogen such as the Covid-19 Coronavirus should have been studied in a "BSL-4 safety level" laboratory.

 

The Wuhan Institute of Virology may well have been developing a biological weapon in the lab, but DonDiego opines it was not likely released intentionally.

 

To answer Mister Picture's pointed and leading question, poor old DonDiego supposes the virus release was accidental.  It seems unlikely that even the ruthless People's Republic of China would intentionally release a deadly virus into a City of 11-million citizens on purpose.

 

Edited to add:

With respect to Mister Picture's conclusions regarding the United States' response:

* clearly the virus has been detected; poor old DonDiego has no expertise regarding any "time limit" by which it should have been detected.  Had the People's Republic of China alerted the world to the incident in Wuhan, some beneficial preparations might have been possible; . . . but them pesky Chinee-Commies are pretty secretive. 

* poor old DonDiego requests that Mister Picture address what retribution he proposes should take place against the People's Republic of China, . . . either earlier or now or in the future.  DonDiego opines a significant thermonuclear attack, might be met with a counter-attack.  And a biological counter-attack might pique even US allies.

* DonDiego is unaware as to what the appropriate time to warn the US citizens of the arrival of a virus-likely-released-accidentally-in-Wuhan-China is; he has no reason to suspect an intentional delay.

* umm, . . . with what exactly should  the Americans, frontline troops, and medical heroes have been equipped upon the arrival of an unexpected virus ?  Please be specific.

Edited on Apr 10, 2020 2:24pm

Originally posted by: Don

 

Mister Picture inquires if poor old DonDiego opines that the People's Republic of China "LAUNCHED AN ATTACK ON THE U.S., KILLING THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS, because of criminal negligence, criminal secrecy, or despicable deliberate action."

 

Poor old DonDiego is insufficiently skilled to opine on the use of the term "criminal" as applied to possible "negligence", . . . and even more so to the term "secrecy".

 

Poor old DonDiego is unaware of any evidence that the release of the Covid-19 Coronavirus was a "despicable deliberate action".

 

DonDiego supposes the opinion of the Professor he cites below best define his own thoughts on the matter: 

 

From Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists :

******** quote *****

Professor Richard Ebright of Rutgers University Waksman Institute of Microbiology . . . thinks that it is possible the COVID-19 pandemic started as an accidental release from a laboratory such as one of the two in Wuhan that are known to have been studying bat coronaviruses.

Except for SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, two deadly viruses that have caused outbreaks in the past, coronaviruses have been studied at laboratories that are labelled as operating at a moderate biosafety level known as BSL-2, Ebright says. And, he says, bat coronaviruses have been studied at such labs in and around Wuhan, China, where the new coronavirus first emerged. “As a result,” Ebright says, “bat coronaviruses at Wuhan [Center for Disease Control] and Wuhan Institute of Virology routinely were collected and studied at BSL-2, which provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers.”

Higher safety-level labs would be appropriate for a virus with the characteristics of the new coronavirus causing the current pandemic. “Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection at BSL-2 with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose substantial risk of infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” Ebright says.

Ebright points out that scientists in Wuhan have collected and publicized a bat coronavirus called RaTG13, one that is  96 percent genetically similar to SARS-CoV-2. The Nature Medicine authors are arguing “against the hypothesis that the published, lab-collected, lab-stored bat coronavirus RaTG13 could be a proximal progenitor of the outbreak virus.” But, Ebright says, the authors relied on assumptions about when the viral ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped to humans; how fast it evolved before that; how fast it evolved as it adapted to humans; and the possibility that that the virus may have mutated in cell cultures or experimental animals inside a lab.

The Nature Medicine authors "leave us where we were before: with a basis to rule out [a coronavirus that is] a lab construct, but no basis to rule out a lab accident," Ebright says.

*****endquote*****

n.b. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists article cited above also presents expert opinions which do not concur with a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.  Hence the conclusion of the final sentence, quoted above.

Oh, . . . one other recent observation:  apparently the much-cited Wuhan Wet Market was not engaged in sales of bats around the time of the release of the virus.

 

Conclusion:

The above referenced article and others which poor old DonDiego has read over the last few weeks suggests that a pathogen such as the Covid-19 Coronavirus should have been studied in a "BSL-4 safety level" laboratory.

 

The Wuhan Institute of Virology may well have been developing a biological weapon in the lab, but DonDiego opines it was not likely released intentionally.

 

To answer Mister Picture's pointed and leading question, poor old DonDiego supposes the virus release was accidental.  It seems unlikely that even the ruthless People's Republic of China would intentionally release a deadly virus into a City of 11-million citizens on purpose.

 

Edited to add:

With respect to Mister Picture's conclusions regarding the United States' response:

* clearly the virus has been detected; poor old DonDiego has no expertise regarding any "time limit" by which it should have been detected.  Had the People's Republic of China alerted the world to the incident in Wuhan, some beneficial preparations might have been possible; . . . but them pesky Chinee-Commies are pretty secretive. 

* poor old DonDiego requests that Mister Picture address what retribution he proposes should take place against the People's Republic of China, . . . either earlier or now or in the future.  DonDiego opines a significant thermonuclear attack, might be met with a counter-attack.  And a biological counter-attack might pique even US allies.

* DonDiego is unaware as to what the appropriate time to warn the US citizens of the arrival of a virus-likely-released-accidentally-in-Wuhan-China is; he has no reason to suspect an intentional delay.

* umm, . . . with what exactly should  the Americans, frontline troops, and medical heroes have been equipped upon the arrival of an unexpected virus ?  Please be specific.


Don Diego, Trump should prepare for everything, regardless of the likelihood of it happening.

Boilerman opines: " . . . Trump should prepare for everything, regardless of the likelihood of it happening."

 

In a fairytale world this would be the truth.

 

In the real world if Trump had to prepare for everything, the citizenry's  taxes would exceed their income by a significant multiple.

Originally posted by: Don

Boilerman opines: " . . . Trump should prepare for everything, regardless of the likelihood of it happening."

 

In a fairytale world this would be the truth.

 

In the real world if Trump had to prepare for everything, the citizenry's  taxes would exceed their income by a significant multiple.


Correct! So maybe the Coronavirus was a teensy bit more important than the Wall.

Originally posted by: Don

Boilerman opines: " . . . Trump should prepare for everything, regardless of the likelihood of it happening."

 

In a fairytale world this would be the truth.

 

In the real world if Trump had to prepare for everything, the citizenry's  taxes would exceed their income by a significant multiple.


In the real world for which DonDiego professes such fondness, Trump didn't have to do anything to prepare for this pandemic. Obama did that for him--by creating a pandemic response team.

 

And then Trump destroyed it.

 

I would ask DonDiego what tax expenditures would be too much to reduce the deaths in a pandemic from, say, 100,000 to 50,000.

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