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So what?  Traffic accidents committed by illegal aliens wouldnt have happend if those illegal aliens weren't here.   Thank you, captain obvious.    You can say the same exact thing about any group of people legal or not.   Traffic accidents arent "murder" as you falsely claim and are statisitcally going to happen with any group of people.    You just jump on the incidents with illegal aliens because you try and paint them negatively with a bogus statistic that they arent guilty of in any greater amount than any other demographic.

And police discrimination is well documented above and beyond murder.    All of the studies across the nation have showed systemic racial profiling...bigger sentences for people of color compared to white people.....and massive more incidents of excessive brutality.     

When the white chick was shot in the Capital on Jan 6 Tom and FOX News didnt desperately try and change the topic to "white criminals killing more white people than cops".    But thats exactly what they do whenever a cop kills an unarmed black person.     Judge that how you will.  I know I do.

Ooooo.....they have a voice in Congress?  Thats big.  

The extremist wing of the Republican Party - MAGA - actually runs the country.   They support Putin in a war against a Western Democracy in Europe....and threaten to take over Greenland.,...and initiated a hostile relationship with Canada.....and support cutting benefits for Medicare/Medicaid and shutting down VA hospitals.....and want to stop voting by mail because of conspiracy theories....and are actively indiciting anyone who tried to hold people accountable for Jan 6.

But, yeah, those evil Democratic Socialists want healthcare for everyone using the same program Tom uses in retirement.     So there's that.

those evil Democratic Socialists want healthcare for everyone using the same program Tom uses in retirement

That would be the program that I paid for years with my taxes, that I still have to pay premiums on as well as deductable.  In addition, I pay for Medicare Supplement to pay for the expenses Medicare doesn't pay for as well as nursing home insurance since Medicare doesn't pay for that either.  I also have to buy dental insurance.

As pointed out several times already; a 100% universal health care program that would pay for all expenses will not be paid for with taxes on the rich and corporations.

Vermont tried to do this but gave up

Despite passing the legislation, Vermont never fully implemented Green Mountain Care. On December 17, 2014, Governor Peter Shumlin announced the plan would be abandoned, citing potential economic disruption and concerns over the financial impact on businesses and individuals . This decision ended Vermont’s brief period of having a legislated single-payer system before it could be operational.

The entire industrialized free world does it at half the price we pay with better outcomes.       And you're using it now as a senior.     How oppressed is your life with healthcare socialism?

At least I can find a 6 story garage at south point. 

Vermont tried it and failed.  Other states have been searching for the magic bulket for years to no avail. Why can't they get it to work?

Every social program the Feds have tried has come in at twice the estimated cost so it is another pj delusion that medical care would be any better

So, stupid Tom, you're saying that we're not capable of doing what Canada and most of Europe, even Russia, have been doing for decades?

This is when you turn on the Tom-logic and say, "Yeah, but you have to wait thirty-seven years for surgery in Canada." Or some other bullshit about how our capitalist health care system is so much better than everyone else's.

Tell us, stupid Tom. How come we spend twice as much per capita on medical care as those other nations, yet, we're twenty-third globally in life expectancy? Are we too poor to make it work? Do we stuff too much money in the pockets of Trump and his fellow grifters?

BTW, Oregon "tried it" over thirty years ago, and it's been a huge success. No one is turned down for health care in Oregon, and it's free for people with low incomes.

Even if the cost of SOOOOOOOOOCIALIZED medicine is more than anticipated, isn't it better that everybody has medical care? You're too stupid to see that that would benefit EVERYBODY, including the rich.

Stupid Tom. Nasty, selfish little MAGA, baking away in Desert Shithole.

It didnt fail in Vermont - they never installed it.    As usual you cant be honest for more than one sentence.         THe public and businesses freaked out over the tax increases  - but those tax increases were the same amount thay people were already paying in private insurance premiums....and it also impacted rich people more (as it should) but when you do that at the state level rich people flee.  See California. 

And your second point is patently false too.   Not my opinion.   Free Market Private Insurance companies spend 2-10X as much money on administrative costs as Medicare.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/sep/20/bernie-sanders/comparing-administrative-costs-private-insurance-a/

It didnt fail in Vermont - they never installed it.

In addition to not seeing a six story garage, pj can't read

citing potential economic disruption and concerns over the financial impact on businesses and individuals .

In other words too expensive.

Free Market Private Insurance companies spend 2-10X as much money on administrative costs as Medicare.

Because SS handles most of the claims.

Then there is fraud; from MAFA.

Fraud in Medicare is more prevalent than in private insurance, largely due to the program’s size and complexity, with losses estimated in billions annually. Medicare fraud has become a primary target for healthcare fraud investigations, exacerbated by billing abuses.

doing what Canada and most of Europe, even Russia, have been doing for decades?

Does kevin mean long wait times/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country

Or cancer recovery

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country

Is kevin referring to countries that don't even have enough electricity for AC, 

How about annual income?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country

Their supermarkets would be called bodegas/delis in the US.

PJ refuted and schooled you, you idiot. You're trying to weasel, but Vermont never "failed" with their health care program--you LIED. They never started it. How could they have failed at something they never tried?

Stupid Tom, our wonderful wonderful wonderful health care system isn't so wonderful for those who can't afford the premiums, or for those who strain to afford them, or for those who live a stunted existence because they have to pay premiums and copays just to stay alive. Maybe you've never had to deal with that. Yay, you. But tens of millions of Americans struggle to afford health care, and many don't have it at all.

If you think that's wonderful wonderful wonderful, yeah, pivot to wait times. You always do. What's the wait time if you don't have health care at all?

I don't know what you're babbling about re air conditioning, but all the countries in Europe, and Canada, can easily afford electricity, and most of them have annual incomes PER CAPITA that are larger than ours. What that has to do with medical care availability, I can't read your funhouse mirror mind.

You've never been to Europe, obviously, or you would have seen thousands of supermarkets that rival ours in size. But what the fuck does the size of supermarkets have to do with health care?

You bring up a LOT of irrelevant shit when you're losing an argument.

My politifact article addressed your claim about SS....and Medicare still has less administrative costs.     Who cant read?

And Im sorry if  DOGE fires Medicare fraud investigators only to turn around and complain about fraud.   Thats a leadership problem with MAGA not a flaw with the program...and Medicare still costs less.

And regarding your points about wait times and cancer recovery - Medicare customers dont wait any longer or recover less from cancer than those belonging to United Health.    So what the heck is your point?

As far as everything else - I'll leave it to the experts to rank us.