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The CIA has reported multiple times in intelligence reports that they did not appear to be developing a nuclear weapon. Is the CIA lying?

 

It is true they do have equipment that COULD be used to POTENTIALLY develop weopons grade material. However, that same equipment is NEEDED to devolop nuclear power plants. 

 

We had a pretty reasonable deal in place, of which, they were apparently holding up their end. Was the deal perfect? No, but it was certainly reasonable. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

The CIA has reported multiple times in intelligence reports that they did not appear to be developing a nuclear weapon. Is the CIA lying?

 

It is true they do have equipment that COULD be used to POTENTIALLY develop weopons grade material. However, that same equipment is NEEDED to devolop nuclear power plants. 

 

We had a pretty reasonable deal in place, of which, they were apparently holding up their end. Was the deal perfect? No, but it was certainly reasonable. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


That's what makes this crusade so stupid. In order to make it impossible for them to develop a nuclear weapon, we'd have to not only destroy all their facilities--and we don't know where all of them are--but also kill every scientist, university professor, engineer, etc. who knows the attendant principles. Then we'd have to destroy all their libraries Then we'd have to obliterate their internet access.

 

In other words, a hopeless task, quite aside from its illegality and immorality.

Gosh, if only we had an agreement with Iran where they wouldn't enrich weapons grade nuclear material and allow inspectors to verify their compliance.

 

Oh, wait a minute. We had one of those but Trump canceled it in his first term. 

Edited on Apr 12, 2026 10:55am
Originally posted by: Mark

Gosh, if only we had an agreement with Iran where they wouldn't enrich weapons grade nuclear material and allow inspectors to verify their compliance.

 

Oh, wait a minute. We had one of those but Trump canceled it in his first term. 


Exactly. We had a good deal with them. It wasn't perfect but it was reasonable. It gave them nuclear power but not weapons. 


Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Exactly. We had a good deal with them. It wasn't perfect but it was reasonable. It gave them nuclear power but not weapons. 


The MAGA barf is that they were violating it, so the Turd weaseled away, but there was ZERO evidence of that in 2018, when the dishonorable Trump renege occured.

 

This is one of many things the stupid fucking Turd doesn't understand: when you renege on a treaty or agreement, the other party will be much less likely to participate in a subsequent pact.

 

Trump not only has no honor; he has no conception of it.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The MAGA barf is that they were violating it, so the Turd weaseled away, but there was ZERO evidence of that in 2018, when the dishonorable Trump renege occured.

 

This is one of many things the stupid fucking Turd doesn't understand: when you renege on a treaty or agreement, the other party will be much less likely to participate in a subsequent pact.

 

Trump not only has no honor; he has no conception of it.


The CIA says they were following it. 

 

For some reason these jackals think "America First"  means believing the nonsense AIPAC spews out over our own intelligence agencies. 

 

 

 

 

Here is what schumer said in 2015.

 

https://www.facebook.com/EveningEdit/videos/2015-flashback-sen-chuck-schumer-says-hes-against-obamas-iran-nuclear-dealfox-bu/990292050335943/

 

The IEAE said this

 

https://emetonline.org/resource/iran-violations-since-jcpoa/

 

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has never certified that Iran is in “compliance” with the deal. Moreover, each quarter since January 2016, the IAEA has reported that it still has not been able to determine that Iran has no undeclared nuclear facilities and materials and thus cannot conclude that Iran’s nuclear program is peaceful.

 

Israel discovered two clandestine facilities in Iran in 2018. Both show that Iran violated the deal by holding back information, nuclear equipment, and nuclear materials.

 

The files show that Iran lied when its leaders, including President Hassan Rouhani said: “Iran has never sought to build nuclear weapons.” It shows that the Iranians continue to want to build such weapons. It shows that Iran violated the NNPT and failed to come clean to the IAEA about its past research. It indicates that Iran had begun the process of establishing an underground nuclear test site and developing the necessary methods to estimate nuclear explosive yield in the early 2000s

 

Iran has refused to cooperate with the IAEA seeking to inspect the sites.

 

Post-deal, Iran refused to cooperate with the IAEA.

 

Each of the 8 quarterly IAEA reports issued since the JCPOA’s implementation has lacked information that would enable independent assessments of Iranian compliance, raising concern that the agency seeks to conceal. None of the reports states that Iran has complied with the JCPOA. Rather, as the JCPOA notes, the IAEA’s mandate primarily entails monitoring and reporting on Tehran’s nuclear-related actions (or lack thereof) pursuant to the JCPOA’s provisions.

 

Iran blocked an official from the IAEA from visiting its nuclear site at Natanz. The IAEA has confirmed that Iran lied about its secret nuclear warehouse in Turkuzabad that violates both the JCPOA and the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The IAEA has also stated, probably about Turkuzabad, that “The agency has detected natural uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at a location in Iran not declared to the agency.” Iran has produced excess heavy water at Arak in violation of the JCPOA.

Edited on Apr 12, 2026 12:30pm
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

The CIA says they were following it. 

 

For some reason these jackals think "America First"  means believing the nonsense AIPAC spews out over our own intelligence agencies. 

 

 

 

 


Well, isn't one of their fundamental tenets "Believe only what you want to hear and call everything else fake news"?

 

One of the sane people here recently pointed out that the sole reason the Turd reneged on the treaty was that Obama had signed it. He believed then and still believes now that he has no obligation to honor treaties that he didn't sign. Just like he feels that he doesn't have to obey the Constitution because he didn't create it. (His oath to do so notwithstanding.)

 

Maybe Iran is/was a threat to us; probably a threat to Israel. But Jesus Christ, is the Turd ever making certain that they are a threat!

The IEAE said iran constantly violated the deal.

Originally posted by: tom

The IEAE said iran constantly violated the deal.


The CIA said they didn't.

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