Heat wave due to liberal hoax fake news climate change

Fortunately, our heat wave in Portland was brief. In fact, in the space of about 14 hours, the temperature dropped from 116 to 63. We did set a new all-time temperature record--by nine degrees.

 

This is just the latest in an alarming series of climate change manifestations. The extreme nature of these events isn't going to be so uncommon any more, though. We've fucked with the planet, and we probably can't fix it any longer (we should try, though, but we won't).

 

Thank you, Republicans! Keep lapping up that fossil fuel industry money and keep voting against doing anything to fix the problem or even acknowledging that it exists! Your children and grandchildren will live in a disaster-ridden hellhole, but hey! you got your asses elected and reelected, and that's all that matters, right?

Come on Kevin you know the real threat to America is a graduate level history course. 

Originally posted by: Mark

Come on Kevin you know the real threat to America is a graduate level history course. 


or Critical Race Theory.

 

Green jobs now employ more people than the fossil fuel industry in this country.   Some people want to fuel that growth while others want to prop up Blockbuster Video and the keystone pipeline.

 

Just think how much farther along we would be right now if we weren't hindered by the

"cant run no car off no windmill" caucus.

 

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

or Critical Race Theory.

 

Green jobs now employ more people than the fossil fuel industry in this country.   Some people want to fuel that growth while others want to prop up Blockbuster Video and the keystone pipeline.

 

Just think how much farther along we would be right now if we weren't hindered by the

"cant run no car off no windmill" caucus.

 

 


Where did you get that stat & how are green jobs being defined?


Originally posted by: tom

Where did you get that stat & how are green jobs being defined?


Here's one: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219927-us-green-economy-has-10-times-more-jobs-than-the-fossil-fuel-industry/

 

You can also easily find more than a dozen articles by Forbes on the subject with a cursory internet search. Here's one from 2019: https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2019/04/22/renewable-energy-job-boom-creating-economic-opportunity-as-coal-industry-slumps/

 

The definitions of "green" jobs can vary, and is broad in the New Scientist article, but even a comparison that restricts it to energy generation (solar, wind, etc.) shows that green jobs are more plentiful than fossil fuel jobs. Green jobs are also now paying about 3% more than fossil fuel jobs. Fossil fuel jobs are becoming obsolete, because the fossil fuel industry is likewise becoming obsolete.

 

Of course, you'll believe what you want to believe, facts notwithstanding.

This is an interesting article about how many of the dead-red MAGA Moron states, where everyone is yeeping about the poor noble endangered fossil fuel industry (them COMMIES wants to bring in their new-fangled bird-shredding propeller thangs!), are fertile ground for renewable energy jobs:

 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-renewable-energy-jobs-can-uplift-fossil-fuel-communities-and-remake-climate-politics/

 

The simple reason? The blighted wastelands that are home to so many Trump-lickers are actually great sites for power generation. The sun shines in the desert, the wind blows (constantly) on the Great Plains. In fact, eastern Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico; western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas are perfect for solar and wind farms---for the first time in American history, that land for which we killed all the Indians and slaughtered all the buffalo is actually going to be useful. And as a bonus, because that part of the country is such an ugly hellhole, hardly anyone lives there, so renewable energy installations won't be stepping on anyone's toes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/21/what-numbers-tell-us-about-bidens-promise-high-pay/

 

The above link shows that most of the so called green energy jobs is based on 2.4m jobs in a category called energy efficiency.  For example if one installs energy efficient windows that is a green job; even though the house uses fossil fuels for heat & electricity.

 

My building is installing new energy efficient boilers that use oil.  That is a green job.  The boilers were upgraded to save money not out of a green policy.  We looked into solar & found the installation cost to be prohibitive, along with a risk that the panels were to heavy

 

If one uses a stricter standard of actual jobs in fossil/green fields the number is much different.  The attached chart shows 1.7m jobs in coal, oil & natural gas, along with about 100,000 jobs in other hated industries such as nuclear & hydro.  Solar/wind is about 500,000 jobs.  Considering how little solar & wind produces, this looks like an inefficient use of manpower.

 

There are 800,000 jobs in electrical generation & if you prorate those jobs based on how much each source generates electricity, the fossil number easily exceeds 2m

I was certain that Tommie-poo would cherry-pick (and misinterpret) "information" that appears to support his preconceived notions and twisted conservitard political beliefs.

Originally posted by: tom

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/21/what-numbers-tell-us-about-bidens-promise-high-pay/

 

The above link shows that most of the so called green energy jobs is based on 2.4m jobs in a category called energy efficiency.  For example if one installs energy efficient windows that is a green job; even though the house uses fossil fuels for heat & electricity.

 

My building is installing new energy efficient boilers that use oil.  That is a green job.  The boilers were upgraded to save money not out of a green policy.  We looked into solar & found the installation cost to be prohibitive, along with a risk that the panels were to heavy

 

If one uses a stricter standard of actual jobs in fossil/green fields the number is much different.  The attached chart shows 1.7m jobs in coal, oil & natural gas, along with about 100,000 jobs in other hated industries such as nuclear & hydro.  Solar/wind is about 500,000 jobs.  Considering how little solar & wind produces, this looks like an inefficient use of manpower.

 

There are 800,000 jobs in electrical generation & if you prorate those jobs based on how much each source generates electricity, the fossil number easily exceeds 2m


Interesting and informative article, tom.  I thought it gave points for both sides.   Complex topic.  And of course I'm a big believer in "unintended consequences" applicable to pretty much everything in life that initially sounds (and may or may not prove to be) like a great idea.

 

Candy

Candy...why on earth should there be "sides" at all on this issue? There are two strategies for energy generation--fossil fuel consumption and renewable energy generation, and one is clearly superior to the other, from both an economic and an environmental standpoint. Only a fool or a bought-and-paid-for Republican would support fossil fuels at this point. In other words, only fossils support fossil fuels.

 

You know what the unintended consequences of fossil fuel worship, and demonizing and ridiculing renewable energy, have been? Massive pollution, which shortens and ends lives. Global climate change, which is even worse than we thought. And the recent heat wave killed over 400 people in OR, WA, and BC. Not to mention the endless stupid wars we've gotten involved in because some sandpit of a country has oil.

 

I'd like to know what you think the unintended consequences of solar and wind energy might be. And please don't say "bird casualties."

 

Oh and by the way...the article Tommie-poo posted a link to isn't exactly objective. Among other things, it calls Biden's renewable energy initiatives a "dream" and quotes a rabid Republican from a dead-red fossil fuel state (Wyoming) in rebuttal. And that rebuttal is the same old song: "It'll takes away AMURRIKIN JOBZ." Of course, this bias is exactly why Tommie-poo chose (as in, cherry-picked) that article in the first place. You can find stuff on the internet to support any point of view, especially if it's a RepubliQ mantra and/or a conspiracy theory.

 

Fossil fuels are obsolete, and the nasty old white men who still largely run the country--especially in dead-red fossil fuel states--are becoming obsolete as well. They fear that. So does Tommie-poo.

 

If you want actual information, you should read the Brookings Institute article I posted a link to.

Edited on Jul 2, 2021 12:08pm
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