Heat wave due to liberal hoax fake news climate change

Huh?

If you reduce 10 tons of carbon use with efficiency or you replace 10 tons of carbon use with renewable energy the net result is the same.    Thats how math works.   And thats why "green subsidies" that Tom bellyached about under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act worked...and thats why they are classified as such.    

The biggest Green Jobs in AMerica are the ones building the next generation of electric vehicles which Tom spent years ridiculing on these boards as some kind of Sci-Fi hoax like climate change.    

But yes - if you cherry pick the definition of "Green JObs" to fit inside the box that makes Tom feel better then its true that oil-drillers employ more people than solar and wind manufacturing.     BUt it is also true the former is in secular decline while the latter is growing....and the latter officially produces cheaper fuel in many parts of the country (and growing).

Happy FOurth !

Pj - then building gas fueled cars count as fossil jobs

You can't have it both ways,Tommie-poo. If you want to count the manufacture of everything that uses fossil fuels as a "fossil job," then you have to count the manufacture of everything that uses electricity as a "green job." Because, y'know, Tommie-poo, it isn't just vehicles that are powered by energy, fossil fuel or renewable.

If we want to use what I'll christen the Tommie-poo Metric (TPM), then the ratio of renewable energy jobs to fossil fuel jobs is about 10:1, and growing.

Thats fine - and in 10 years those cars will cease to be manufactured - thanks to the Green Energy subsidies that you slapped your knee to and how worthless they were.

KInda makes all those wise cracks you made about the Chevy Volt seem a little embarrassing now in hindsight doesn't it?

Thats fine- in 20 years the worlds Land, Water and food sources will be so Tainted with Lithium, Cobalt and Chromium that "Global Warming" will seem like a walk in the park .  what's your thoughts on open pit Lithium mines?       EV's are Cool, and they have come a long way,  but they are <2% of the current fleet of 280 million registered vehicles in the US.   thats a lot of Lithium Ion batteries needed.  and they still havent totaly figured out that pesky "Thermal Runaway" problem with L/ion    there's been more than a few Volts/Bolts/Leafs/Teslas etc. burn to the ground due to it.    and Lithium doesnt play well with water!   my next door neighbors Large Victorian house damn near burned to the ground last fall ,due to a cheap crappy Chinese Solar decoration sitting on the wood porch. it overheated/exploded and caught fire after a rain storm. did $70K damage ( well... the Fire dept with their (2) 4inch lines pumping water and their Chainsaw caused a lot of it)   but you get my drift!  

I've yet to see a single scientist warn Lithium is a bigger threat to the earth compared to greenhouse gases...so I think your "Global Warming walk in the park" line is more than a little exagerated.        ANd if you want to compare fires from Solar / Lithium to gas /oil/ and coal  - I'll gladly take  the other side of your bet.   Gladly.

There's plenty of work and research to be done still.   Thats fair to say.   But that doesn't change the tide.     Fossil Fuels are in secular decline and renewables are growing.   

If you had a 10 year horizon on a single investment would you put it in Exxon Oil  right now or Albarmarle Lithium Miner?    Managed mututal funds and institutions have almost completely removed big oil from their portfolios.    They know the future too.

But let's not forget, the Jewish space lasers are lithium-powered.

If the lithium that's mined ends up in solar panels, then it's not going to pollute the environment--because worn-out solar panels will be worth recycling. I'd rather deal with that minor problem than with the shit that the fossil fuel folks have been putting into the atmosphere.

Solar Panels i.e. Photovoltiac cells I dont believe contain Lithium,  but do contain precious metals, Ag etc. and are highly recyclable.  any storage batteries associated with a Solar aray would certainly contain Lithium. which is also is recyclable, But so are plastic Water Bottles and Plastic Grocery bags. 

we havent had much success with the human race controling those!    an EV battery pack weighs between 600 lbs for a Prius to 1900 lbs for a F150    and contain roughly 13% lithium  and some other nasty stuff. once removed from the vehicle is considered Hazordous Waste and has to be manifested and transported as such. shady people will do shady things to save money, as they always have!      

I pick up discarded trash as I do my daily walk in the neighborhood (ironically, it goes in a plastic grocery bag, ultimately into trash bin or recycle bin).  An I'm in a middle class neighborhood.   Some days not much, but there isn't a day without a fast food sack, drink lid/straw combo, plastic glove (newer item!), beer bottle, soda can, I could go on and on.  That's my neighborhood but it makes me notice that stuff tossed on the side of roads in town and out of town.

My point is whether we are or are not willing to stop using plastic water bottles and Walmart bags, it is HUMANS who are a big part of the problem.  In a million years I would never (and have never) tossed fast food trash (or anything else) out the car onto any street anywhere for any reason, but apparently a portion of the population have grown up thinking this is an OK thing to do.  I think it reflects total disregard/appreciation for the conveniences we are happy to partake of (pick up a Big Mac or a giant sized soda) but not at the same time make a little effort to take care of our planet.  Let others clean up the mess I suppose.  JMHO.

Candy

Probably wont suprise you... but my money would be on Exxon Mobile   seems Vanguard, Blackrock, and State Street would agree   evidently they didn't get your memo.  Albermarle looks good too, But my Big Ol' Red Blooded American Pickem up Truck, don't run on Lithium, and my house and Business are heated with #2 Fuel oil   as is most of New England.