HOA threatens American flag-flying homeowners as they fight for Old Glory before nation’s 250th birthday

Originally posted by: tom

If it is pro American you can count on kevin to be against it.

 

The flag has been flying on this person's property for 20 years with no prior objection.  It is a standard sized American flag.If somebody doesn't like it that is their problem.

 

The enforcement mechanism is to waste people's time in court for a judge to say it is legal.  What will happen is the HOA's lawyer will tell them to give it up. 

 

There are people who join these boards because they have never been in charge of anything in their lives and finally get an opportunity to do so and all they do is cause chaos.

 

I gave up being on my coop board in NYC for that reason.

 

My current board here in Phoenix was so bad they actually were impeached from this volunteer position 


Yep. Always call someone you disagree with "un-American." Worked real well for McCarthy in the 1950s, and not as well for MAGA now. Flying or not flying a flag has nothing to do with being American. Tommie the Commie votes Trump, which is an un-American as it gets. Even if he paints an American flag on his ass.

 

I don't like HOAs, either. Which is why I will never own a property in an area regulated by an HOA. But if I did, I would be a signatory to a contract, and would adhere to it--and expect my neighbors to as well.

 

I don't like HOAs, either. Which is why I will never own a property in an area regulated by an HOA.

 

Probably because you can't afford one. 

 

 But if I did, I would be a signatory to a contract, and would adhere to it--and expect my neighbors to as well.

 

Even if the clause was against the law?

Originally posted by: tom

I don't like HOAs, either. Which is why I will never own a property in an area regulated by an HOA.

 

Probably because you can't afford one. 

 

 But if I did, I would be a signatory to a contract, and would adhere to it--and expect my neighbors to as well.

 

Even if the clause was against the law?


I'm far wealthier than you, little Tommy. You were forced to flee NYC and are now living in a pathetic little retirement shack in the desert. But whatever. You've learned from Miller that a snide little comment makes your argument SO much stronger. 

 

Restrictions on flag displays are not against the law. If you had actually READ that Act, you might have understood that. But then, your reading skills are pretty bad.

 

If a clause in a contract is against the law, then that clause is not enforceable. Therefore, if the HOA agreement contains a restriction that IS against the law, no one has to obey it. I'd have to see the text of the HOA agreement with the San Marcos residents before passing judgment on it--unlike Miller, and you, and Fox Nooze, who just blindly beeped that the restriction was unlawful.

 

Stupid Tommy-poo.

I'd fly my flag and stand on the Act's wording. There's plenty of lawyers  who'd take up this case against the HOA. I think the HOA would lose because they're trying to impose an "unreasonable restriction" ( the Act's tenets refer to 'reasonable restriction') as alluded to in the Act's wording and terms. IMO the HOA is imposing / inferring unreasonable restrictions on the homeowners and, therefore, need their ears boxed.

Edited on Jun 30, 2026 9:57pm

Originally posted by: Nines

I'd fly my flag and stand on the Act's wording. There's plenty of lawyers  who'd take up this case against the HOA. I think the HOA would lose because they're trying to impose an "unreasonable restriction" ( the Act's tenets refer to 'reasonable restriction') as alluded to in the Act's wording and terms. IMO the HOA is imposing / inferring unreasonable restrictions on the homeowners and, therefore, need their ears boxed.


Which opens the door to everyone in the neighborhood to fly whatever flag they want whenever they want. The 2005 amendment to the act has never been tested in court, that I am aware of, and likely violates the first amendment. 

 

If the Supreme Court says burning the flag in public as a protest is ok, it is hard to argue you don’t have the right to choose not to display it. 

 

The article mentioned it is a townhome community and this type of restriction makes sense in that context. If you have shared walls with someone and they put up a flag you disagree with because your homes are attached it implies that the people living adjacent to the flag endorse it.



The Trump boys recently violated the flag act and continues to do so day after day. It is so odd the conservative media and its parrots weren’t more upset about the fucking President's sons violating the flag act than they are about some rinky dinky HOA violating it. It seems rather disproportionate to me. 

 

Originally posted by: Nines

I'd fly my flag and stand on the Act's wording. There's plenty of lawyers  who'd take up this case against the HOA. I think the HOA would lose because they're trying to impose an "unreasonable restriction" ( the Act's tenets refer to 'reasonable restriction') as alluded to in the Act's wording and terms. IMO the HOA is imposing / inferring unreasonable restrictions on the homeowners and, therefore, need their ears boxed.


The text of the agreement and the actual appearance and nature of the flag display(s) would have to be examined to determine whether the restriction is reasonable or not. None of us can render an informed opinion without that information--certainly not Fox Nooze or any scumbag bozo who copies and pastes their propaganda on a gambling website.

Originally posted by: Mark

Which opens the door to everyone in the neighborhood to fly whatever flag they want whenever they want. The 2005 amendment to the act has never been tested in court, that I am aware of, and likely violates the first amendment. 

 

If the Supreme Court says burning the flag in public as a protest is ok, it is hard to argue you don’t have the right to choose not to display it. 

 

The article mentioned it is a townhome community and this type of restriction makes sense in that context. If you have shared walls with someone and they put up a flag you disagree with because your homes are attached it implies that the people living adjacent to the flag endorse it.



The Trump boys recently violated the flag act and continues to do so day after day. It is so odd the conservative media and its parrots weren’t more upset about the fucking President's sons violating the flag act than they are about some rinky dinky HOA violating it. It seems rather disproportionate to me. 

 


I'd still fight it..win or lose. How did the sons violate the Act?

Originally posted by: Mark

Which opens the door to everyone in the neighborhood to fly whatever flag they want whenever they want. The 2005 amendment to the act has never been tested in court, that I am aware of, and likely violates the first amendment. 

 

If the Supreme Court says burning the flag in public as a protest is ok, it is hard to argue you don’t have the right to choose not to display it. 

 

The article mentioned it is a townhome community and this type of restriction makes sense in that context. If you have shared walls with someone and they put up a flag you disagree with because your homes are attached it implies that the people living adjacent to the flag endorse it.



The Trump boys recently violated the flag act and continues to do so day after day. It is so odd the conservative media and its parrots weren’t more upset about the fucking President's sons violating the flag act than they are about some rinky dinky HOA violating it. It seems rather disproportionate to me. 

 


Yes! A townhome displaying the flag might very well obstruct the view of an adjacent townhome--or it might simply imply that the person next door is flying the flag, too. I personally wouldn't want my exterior walls bedecked with pseudo-patriotic claptrap without my consent.

 

This issue probably will never be considered rationally, because MAGA seizes this type of nonsense and tries to make it all about gung-ho AMURRICAN "patriotism." Just like Miller putting "Old Glory" (choke, sob) in his lying thread title. Propaganda. That's all it is.

 

Not long ago, in a town near here, some dirtbag driving his pick-em-up truck and flying a huge US flag and an equally immense TRUMP banner was pulled over and given a ticket for obstructing the view of other drivers. He went screaming to Fox Nooze and whined that his patriotic rights as a gol-durn troo-bloo gosh-dang American patriot were being violated. The local propo boys really ran with it. The judge dismissed the ticket.

As most of us know, in this world almost nothing is 100%.  The best suggestion was to attend HOA meetings (are there meetings?) and discuss.  How many specific prohibitions can be listed in one HOA?  Pets/animals (no wildlife), color of siding and trim, where trash cans are kept, etc., no cars parked in the driveway?   Hmm.  Fine, until junior is old enough and gets a car, garage only holds two, etc., etc. 

 

Some time after we'd bought our house and moved in, 1987 I think, the HOA leader, Homer, came to the house to discuss complaints (I don't know how many) about my husband's tool truck.  We hadn't even thought about how his Mac Tools truck parked in the driveway would be offensive, but to at least one person it was an eyesore.  (At least he kept it clean and shiny.)  I don't  know if the HOA bylaws addressed work trucks.  Nobody had said anthing at first.  It was our livelihood.  Homer and husband discussed it, and that was the end of it.   

 

No idea what type of enforcement could have been levied against us, if any.   It was our first home to own and had not occurred to us it could be a problem.  Not a really posh neighborhood, just average nice.  I don't remember signing anything.

 

Candy

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

As most of us know, in this world almost nothing is 100%.  The best suggestion was to attend HOA meetings (are there meetings?) and discuss.  How many specific prohibitions can be listed in one HOA?  Pets/animals (no wildlife), color of siding and trim, where trash cans are kept, etc., no cars parked in the driveway?   Hmm.  Fine, until junior is old enough and gets a car, garage only holds two, etc., etc. 

 

Some time after we'd bought our house and moved in, 1987 I think, the HOA leader, Homer, came to the house to discuss complaints (I don't know how many) about my husband's tool truck.  We hadn't even thought about how his Mac Tools truck parked in the driveway would be offensive, but to at least one person it was an eyesore.  (At least he kept it clean and shiny.)  I don't  know if the HOA bylaws addressed work trucks.  Nobody had said anthing at first.  It was our livelihood.  Homer and husband discussed it, and that was the end of it.   

 

No idea what type of enforcement could have been levied against us, if any.   It was our first home to own and had not occurred to us it could be a problem.  Not a really posh neighborhood, just average nice.  I don't remember signing anything.

 

Candy


My first and last experience with an HOA was when our family bought a new house in Vegas. I had an RV and we used it to visit my sister's friend in Arizona for a few days. The weather on the way back home was pretty bad and we were slowed down by several hours. We arrived back at 12:30 am and rather than take the RV back to the storage lot (where our car was parked), we just parked the RV in front, on the street, and crashed, exhausted. I woke up at 8 that morning and the RV was gone--towed away by the HOA prick who lived up the street. It took me some time to even figure out what had happened--I at first thought it had been stolen.

 

$400 towing and storage, and yeah, we were in violation of the rules. But Jerkface McHoa didn't even bother to knock on our door to ask us to move our rig. I could have strangled him.

 

I realized that we had given that petty little tyrant this power when we signed the HOA agreement, and vowed to never again do that.

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