Hormuz Choke Point Persists as Iran Halts Oil Traffic Despite Trump Ceasefire

Tom in this thread says we had no way of knowing about any "other" Iran nuclear development sites because the IEAE said they didnt know of any.

Tom in this thread says Trump  has annihilated all of Iran's nuclear development sites - including the unnamed, unkown ones that he said the IEAE missed somehow.

Hmmmm......how on earth did American intelligence  know about the "other hidden SPECTRE sites"  Tom referenced?  According to Tom in this post we had no way of knowing about them without the IEAE.   THey cant both be true

Unless Tom  is just desperately  making stuff up as he goes along.  Yeah - Tom is just desperately making stuff up as he goes along

So Kevin is in favor of Iran getting nuclear tipped missiles, funding terrorists and closing the straits at their whim. 

Don't be ridiculous--you set up straw men, quote someone who never said it, reduce an opponent's opinion to some absurd point which they never made.  Your debating arugments are full of logical fallacies.   By the way, this is very  reminiscent of the Bush arguments in 2002.  Did you believe Iraq had WMDs when we went through this farce before?

Putting words in other people's mouths is a chickenshit way to argue and only exposes the weakness of your position.

So you're in favor of raining death and destruction on another sovereign nation because they do things you don't like?

If Iran develops "nuclear tipped missiles," they will be the eleventh nation that has them. We've managed to survive so far. The key is deterrence. If Iran uses a nuclear weapon, they will suffer massive retaliation, and they know it.

The Israelis have nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them. Why should they be allowed to have them but not Iran?

We have nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them. Why should we be allowed to have them and not Iran?

Yeah, yeah, Tom, I know. It's because they're big bad meanies and we have the moral high ground.

After all, we NEVER launch unprovoked attacks against other countries and our leader is rational, peaceful, and benevolent.

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So you're in favor of raining death and destruction on another sovereign nation because they do things you don't like?

So kidnapping and killing Americans for 47 years is kevin's definition "doing things you don't like"?  The US is defending itself & telling iran no more.

If Iran uses a nuclear weapon, they will suffer massive retaliation, and they know it.

Iran is led by crazies who think they will go to heaven if they destroy America so they don't care about retaliation.  They just murdered 45,000 of their own people.

By randomly closing the Strait they can affect the global economy,  Should we allow them to do that?

What instances of "kidnapping and killing" are you referring to?

If those supposed crimes justify war against them, why hasn't Congress declared it? 

If you think Iran's leadership is irrational and doesn't care if they die, how is attacking them and "telling them no more" going to deter them from whatever you claim they're doing?

Answer the above question! You say they wouldn't care about being completely destroyed, so how does bombing them make them do what we want? Hasn't worked so far!

They didn't close the Strait until we attacked them. The way, therefore, to keep the Strait open is to provide them with security guarantees. 

Or, we could invade and occupy them and have a massive military presence there for decades, with no end in sight, which would cost trillions and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of people, something you claim bothers you.

We're not the world's policeman and can't and shouldn't patrol and monitor every international waterway. And does it bother you that OUR blockade of the Strait violates our international treaty?

There are solutions other than violence.