Hormuz Choke Point Persists as Iran Halts Oil Traffic Despite Trump Ceasefire

Originally posted by: tom

Once again we see why kevin teaches nursery school - he can't read.  Note the year 2016, the first year of the deal.

 

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has never certified that Iran is in “compliance” with the deal. Moreover, each quarter since January 2016, the IAEA has reported that it still has not been able to determine that Iran has no undeclared nuclear facilities and materials and thus cannot conclude that Iran’s nuclear program is peaceful.

 

 


ONCE AGAIN - Tom posts an article that doesnt say what he pretends it does.

 

Your quoted statement is  a big giant statement of nothing.   By all accounts THe IAEA was inspecting the exisiting nuclear facilities.   You're saying they have no way of knowing if Iran had some other secret facility somewhere in a hidden mountain like SPECTRE  in a James Bond movie.   Correct !     And so what?   Their job was to inspect the exisiting facilities and they were.   Thats a matter of record and not something open to debate.

 

We know where the nukes were being developed and Trump confirmed it with the strikes last Summer.   There were no other places.    So you are full of shit, Tom.    As usual. 

 

 

The IAEA was not the agency tasked by the treaty with verifying Iran's compliance with the treaty's terms. Thus, their observations were not a valid pretext for Trump to renege on the treaty.

 

They inspected existing, known facilities and found those facilities to be in compliance, but of course couldn't say for certain that those were the only such facilities in the entire country 

 

Stupid Tom.

Edited on Apr 13, 2026 8:01am
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The IAEA was not the agency tasked by the treaty with verifying Iran's compliance with the treaty's terms. Thus, their observations were not a valid pretext for Trump to renege on the treaty.

 

They inspected existing, known facilities and found those facilities to be in compliance, but of course couldn't say for certain that those were the only such facilities in the entire country 

 

Stupid Tom.


Thats why we have spies and satelites.     Tom wants you to believe the weapons inspectors were spies.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Thats why we have spies and satelites.     Tom wants you to believe the weapons inspectors were spies.


Tom doesn't want to acknowledge that the CIA determined than Iran was in compliance with the treaty.


The IEAE is respected neutral agency, so why wouldn't you agree with their findings?

Originally posted by: tom

The IEAE is respected neutral agency, so why wouldn't you agree with their findings?


I do agree with their findings.     Im reading the findings based upon the article you cited.    Your article doesnt make the point you pretend it does.....something we see alot from you.

 

Your own article just says they dont know of any operations aside from the ones they were assigned to and were actively monitoring.   Correct.    They're not suppossed to.   They are not spies....they just inspect sites.   

 

Huge revelation for TOM:

The CIA is in charge of spying and getting information about any other activity that might be going on....not scientists from the IEAE.    

 

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their findings (before 2018) were basically "From what we can see and have inspected things appear on the up and up. However we have no way of knowing if there are hidden facilities developing material that we don't know about" 

 

It isn't their job to know about hidden facilities. That is what our intelligence agencies are for. 

 

They stated that within the scope of their investigation, Iran appears to be in compliance but gave the caveat that they don't know for sure because they lack the ability to verify whether or not hidden facilities exist.

 

It isn't that I disagree with their findings. I just don't agree with the way some have interpreted their findings and the conclusions they've made from them. 

 

 

Edited on Apr 13, 2026 9:46am

Why was the IEAE not allowed to inspect?

 

What few inspections that were allowed were at Iran's choosing with several weeks advance notice so they could hide evidence. 

Itan has always lied.  First they said they were not building bombs, then no missiles to name a few. 

As I said earlier there are 2 choices. 

1 - dismantle their weapons program, give up control of the Strair and end their terrorist funding

 

2- Let the above happen

 

The usual suspects here are in favor of number 2

Originally posted by: tom

Why was the IEAE not allowed to inspect?

 

What few inspections that were allowed were at Iran's choosing with several weeks advance notice so they could hide evidence. 

Itan has always lied.  First they said they were not building bombs, then no missiles to name a few. 

As I said earlier there are 2 choices. 

1 - dismantle their weapons program, give up control of the Strair and end their terrorist funding

 

2- Let the above happen

 

The usual suspects here are in favor of number 2


Nope. There are multiple other choices.

 

What we should do is stop violating international law and our own Constitution. We do NOT have the right to make war on another nation just because we don't like their government--or Israel doesn't. Trump doesn't have the authority to wage war without the consent of Congress.

 

We are now blockading an international waterway in direct violation of a treaty guaranteeing safe passage.

 

Tell us, stupid Tom. What right do we have to wage war on Iran? What right do we have to stop their weapons development?

 

Well, Tom? What right or authority do we have to bomb and kill them?

 

And before you answer, "Because they're big bad meanies," I'll point out that disliking another country is legally and morally not a reason to rain death on them.

 

Well, stupid Tom? What gives us the right?

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Their findings (before 2018) were basically "From what we can see and have inspected things appear on the up and up. However we have no way of knowing if there are hidden facilities developing material that we don't know about" 

 

It isn't their job to know about hidden facilities. That is what our intelligence agencies are for. 

 

They stated that within the scope of their investigation, Iran appears to be in compliance but gave the caveat that they don't know for sure because they lack the ability to verify whether or not hidden facilities exist.

 

It isn't that I disagree with their findings. I just don't agree with the way some have interpreted their findings and the conclusions they've made from them. 

 

 


There never was a genuine rationale for Trump to renege on the treaty. He violated and canceled it because it was something that Obama had accomplished. You remember his crusade against Obamacare? Same thing. He didn't destroy programs and treaties because he thought they were "wrong." He destroyed them because Obama had created them.

 

That's the sole reason for his ruining the halfway civil relations we had with Iran before he oozed into the Oval Office. He would have used any pretext available, even something nonsensical, to "justify" abrogating the treaty with Iran. So debating whether or not they were complying is pointless. The Turd would have broken it, no matter what.

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