If we had sustainable energy, we could ignore the goddamn Middle East

Maybe David Miller can help, there has got to be something on Facebook about this.

He managed to bring stupid Tom on board his shortbus. Though that's nothing to be proud of. I cracked up when stupid Tom posted something that proved my point and shot his down.

I wonder if they realize that removing one or more main-stem dams from the Colorado River system would increase the water supply? That's because turning a river into a lake, especially in dry country, greatly increases evaporation loss. Plus, most of the surrounding rock is sandstone, so water percolates into the water table and is lost. But the dams will stay. The best move is to drain Flaming Gorge up in Wyoming, which is being done, and then hope that climate change is just a liberal hoax.

Republicans were stopping the shutdown of the dams. 

Environmentalists and the Biden gang wanted to shutdown the dams in the NW. 

Enviromentaists and the Biden gang are liberals. Therefore liberals want to shutdown the dams in the NW

Some things are hard for kevin. 

My statement was that people in the Pacific Northwest approve of hydroelectric power and the dams that provide it.

Biden does not live and never has lived in the Pacific Northwest.

There are environmentalists everywhere. But the Pacific Northwest environmentslists were against removal of those dams.

God, you're a moron.

The below shows all the groups in the northwest that are suiing to shutdown the dams; including the state governments of Washington and oregon.

Kevin is the moron

The tribes include the Confederated Tribes and Bands of the Yakama Nation, the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation, the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation of Oregon, and the Nez Perce Tribe.

Earthjustice’s plaintiffs include the National Wildlife Federation, Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations, Institute for Fisheries Resources, Sierra Club, Idaho Rivers United, Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association, NW Energy Coalition, Columbia Riverkeeper, Idaho Conservation League and Fly Fishers International, Inc.

Oregon’s attorney general, Dan Rayfield, said in a statement that Oregon, too, was ready to resume legal action.

Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek said in a statement that renewing the lawsuit is necessary to protect natural resources, preserve fish runs, and hold the federal government responsible

Mike Faulk, a spokesman for Washington Attorney General Nick Brown, said while Washington is not a plaintiff in the case, the state “did file paperwork yesterday that changes us from an unaffiliated amicus party to an ‘affiliated’ amicus party, which allows the state to provide some support or advice to the plaintiffs.”

Sounds like a perfect storm: 

Pro keeping dams:  Hydroelectric power

Anti keeping dams:  Environmental conservation

How costly is it to "shut down" dams?  Are they in use now for power? 

Which wildlife are currently affected, endangered by the dams?

Just questions.  I have no dog in the fight, other than maybe downstream environment.

Candy

There are a couple dams in the process of removal but those dams are not power generators.

The hydroelectric dams are not being shut down per se. They are doing diversions during certain parts of the year. Power production is postponed or reduced temporarily while more water is diverted to allow for better water flow while the salmon are running upstream.

"All the groups" do not comprise a significant percentage of the Pacific Northwest population.

Also, what I said was that people in the PNW approve of dams and hydropower. Any movement to remove one or more dams doesn't invalidate that statement.

Read the above statement one more time. Slowly.

But oooh, you put it in BOLD and ITALICS!!!!

I'm done arguing with you. You're a fucking idiot as well as a liar. You're worthless.

Stupid Tom.

Yes some wildlife is affected by dams. One of the major ones are Salmon runs. Some dams remediate this by installing "fish ladders" some do not. Salmon is important to the health of a river partialy because after swimming upstream and laying eggs they die off and the nutrients from their decomposing bodies feed the river system 

So really entire ecosystems are affected. However it's worth noting that ecosystems will also be affected by the removal because the lake that the damn created now has its own ecosystem. 

As far as I am aware the dams that are currently in the process of removal are not hydroelectric plants. They are damns that were created to form a man-made lake for recreational purposes and are now being removed to restore river habitats. 

There are people that want to remove hydroelectric dams but I don't think there are  any proposals being seriously considered. I could be wrong though. 

The primary issue is that water coming downstream can be used for hydropower generation or to keep the salmon run viable, but often, one has to be sacrificed for the other.

There are fish ladders beside all the dams, but in low water years, there's no way to release enough water to allow salmon to come upstream AND fulfill power generation needs. Critically, spawning season coincides with peak power demands.

Stupid Tom's babbling about dams being "shut down" is ridiculously inaccurate. None of the hydropower dams is being or will be shut down, and no one is asking for that to happen. What the various plaintiffs in the suit stupid Tom inaccurately mentions is a guarantee that salmon runs will be preserved, even at the expense of hydropower generation. For decades, it's been the other way around.

This didn't used to be an issue, as there was plenty of rainfall and runoff to both operate the fish ladders and generate needed power. But population growth and several dry years in a row are putting a strain on the system. There is a danger that the salmon that used to populate the Snake River basin may go extinct.

In other, smaller river basins in Washington and Oregon, where older, earthen dams were removed, the salmon runs have rebounded amazingly quickly. That was easier to accomplish than the removal of a man stream hydropower dam, though. Those older dams had silted up and were serving no purpose.

The consequences of forcing the feds to release enough water to support the fish ladders throughout the spawning season are that that water cannot be used for power generation, and the power supply will be reduced. Power bills will increase modestly.

The reason all the indigenous tribes are on board with this initiative is that salmon fishing is a core part of their culture and identity. Before the white man came, the salmon provided much of their nutrition, not unlike the buffalo for the Plains tribes. When we built all those hydro dams in the first half of the 20th century, the tribes' concerns and voices were ignored. So a major element of this issue is redress.