The question concerned what the "young lady" believes. She is black. That's all.
Poor reading skills in the Kitchen Sink. And too many replies that have nothing to do with the original question or topic, which makes a thread too long and confusing for logical debate.
Boilerman's purpose in starting this thread was anything but to elicit logical debate. He wanted to prove some asinine point.
Originally posted by: Candy Wright
Of course not. She is of the opinion that George Floyd is not someone that people of her race should admire, look up to, be considered a hero courtesy of cell phone camera technology and mass media. She believes the world wide turning of this man with a disturbing rap sheet into a national "hero" is contrary to what she herself wishes for her race of people. She cited his rap sheet, which is fact, not opinion. She has assembled a cache of 'data' supporting her beliefs about black on black crime vs white on black crime. She is clear that what happened was wrong and she hopes the cop(s) gets the full measure of punishment deserved.
The desirable outcome of this would be that every law enforcement orgainzation have a huge wake up as to what it means to "protect and serve", look deeply into the culture, the hiring, training, how to de-escalate, how to handle these types of encounters with as little bodily harm as possible. That was MY first comment, where was the training? We all know that cops often face terrible choices with but a second or two to decide whether to shoot or be shot. It can go the wrong way for either party, black or white. That wasn't the case in this situation.
Maybe part of the problem is government employee unions and a civil service system that won't stand for firing horrible government employees before they get 18 complaints, a suspension and an eventual murder rap. I bet you'll find that this cop was bad from the start and lots of people knew it and nobody could or would do anything about it. Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer and they aren't weeding out the bad ones because their collectively bargained disciplinary and firing procedures don't work for the community...they work for the government employees. You think that's bad, try firing a bad public school teacher.
Originally posted by: Charles
Maybe part of the problem is government employee unions and a civil service system that won't stand for firing horrible government employees before they get 18 complaints, a suspension and an eventual murder rap. I bet you'll find that this cop was bad from the start and lots of people knew it and nobody could or would do anything about it. Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer and they aren't weeding out the bad ones because their collectively bargained disciplinary and firing procedures don't work for the community...they work for the government employees. You think that's bad, try firing a bad public school teacher.
Charles, what you say actually makes sense, and I want to acknowledge this momentous occasion. Much as a broken clock will tell the time accurately twice a day, you are going to be right every so often.
Unfortunately, that reasoning has been used to crush unions in the past and present. The fact of the matter is that employers always have more power than employees. So union protections have to be strong; otherwise, employers will run roughshod over employees, as they did in the first century or so of capitalism.
I also doubt that it's all that difficult to fire a cop. The four Minnesota murderers were ejected almost immediately. Other cops nationwide have been suspended or fired for brutality and other offenses connected to policing the protests.
If unions have too much power today, it's because workers had too little in the past. The pendulum swings slowly, and we as a society tend to over-fix things rather than applying proportionate solutions.
Kevin Lewis wrote: "But of what possible relevance is Floyd's rap sheet? Do the police get to kill you if you have a criminal history?"
There is no relevance of Floyd's rap sheet to his murder, but that is not the point that some are making.
His rap sheet is relevant to whether he deserved a State Funeral as if he were Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King. It's relevant to a growing cult that is making him out to be some sort of hero on the verge of having his face on a postage stamp or a national holiday in his honor.
I have only been following this story in main stream media and not in great detail. I have been wondering -- but not all that interested in -- what Floyd's life was like before he was murdered. His available biography ranged from sketchy to completely MIA in the news sources I read and watch (NYT, Washpo, CNN). I am an unreconstructed FDR, LBJ, Mario Cuomo progressive or libtard, depending on your preferences in nomenclature.
This thread was the first I've seen to discuss Floyd's past. I could have Googled this earlier, but I never bothered to. I just now searched Google News for "George Floyd rap sheet."
The first hit was a CNN story about the *policeman* who killed Floyd, citing the 18 prior complaints filed against him. This may be telling about the reluctance to cover Floyd's criminal past which -- to repeat for poor readers -- is irrelevant to what happened to him but not irrelevant to giving a true picture of the man that the nation seems to be on track to elevate to the same level of greatness as other black figures who *do* deserve our respect and admiration.
The second Google News hit was for some obscure site called thecourierdaily.com. Its story contained Floyd's apparent rap sheet that, assuming it is true, is indeed appalling. Still, based on the Google News search, no major news outlets seem to think that this information should be provided to its readers or viewers. *That* is a big story in itself. And I am not one to complain about "fake news."
The story did contain information not covered by the usual Kitchen Sinkers that is relevant to a full picture of Floyd. Apparently, after a life of violent crime, he cleaned-up his act and had become law abiding. That modifes the image of the man as a total villain, but it still doesn't make him worthy of being posthumously elevated as an icon of model citizenship.
Originally posted by: David Miller
let me add, FOREVER...
I suggust that you 2 get a room.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
You've never helped anyone before, so I wouldn't expect it to happen now. More Liberal policies over the past 30 years, and more blacks falling further behind in school, more pregancies out of wedlock, more crime, more drugs, and more troubles. The Liberal solution to these failed policies is always twice as much of the failed policies.
Helping out would mean you going way.
Actually, helping you would require more than me just going away.
If I did, then there would be one less pointing out the disgusting racism you just posted.
BTW, eat shit, and live.
Originally posted by: Candy Wright
The question concerned what the "young lady" believes. She is black. That's all.
Poor reading skills in the Kitchen Sink. And too many replies that have nothing to do with the original question or topic, which makes a thread too long and confusing for logical debate.
If it's too much for you, leave.
Originally posted by: Charles
Maybe part of the problem is government employee unions and a civil service system that won't stand for firing horrible government employees before they get 18 complaints, a suspension and an eventual murder rap. I bet you'll find that this cop was bad from the start and lots of people knew it and nobody could or would do anything about it. Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer and they aren't weeding out the bad ones because their collectively bargained disciplinary and firing procedures don't work for the community...they work for the government employees. You think that's bad, try firing a bad public school teacher.
Agree. I worked in a similar system. I eventually realized it is actually a blot on top management's record when an employee is fired, no matter how justified. Try to get one terminated and it comes right back on the front line manager to 'correct' the bad behavior of the incorrigible employee. I could go on and on but you described it well.
Originally posted by: Candy Wright
What? Who said anything about Trump?
A simple question.
Is it hard to answer?
