Lithium

I'm glad Boilerman thinks the electric car will be big.   Thats a huge paradigm shift.    Just a few short years ago the collective argument was something like "cant run a car off a windmill"   Yeah, that was high IQ  debate on here.   I'm glad its evolved

Most car companies have ballparked 2030 as the year they will stop offering combusiton engine vehicles for non-industrial vehicles.   Thats not liberals - thats the auto ceo's of almost every manufacturer.    That timeline is about in range with Boilerman's so what is he upset about?    

There are plenty of challenges ahead.  Increasing Lithiium supply is one.  Recycling batteries is even a bigger problem to solve.    

But I have a rub of my own.....people who understand this transtion is coming but have to be dragged kicking and screaming fto build  the infrastrure to accomodate it.     Consumers dont want EV vehicles unless there is a charging network that allows them to be viable cross-country transportation....and the free market cant profitbaly build those charging networks becasue there currently arent enough EV's  to make them profitbale endeavors.   It a classic catch-22 that historically is resolved with government partnership to help fund.....like we just did with the infrastructure bill.    Shame that people think magic wands can solve that problem instead of investment....maybe Boilerman knows someone like that.

Demand creates supply, dumb fuck. 200 years ago, there was very little lithium on the market, because no one had a use for it.

Your childish error is in misinterpreting what supply means. There's plenty of lithium in the ground. With sufficient demand, it WILL be mined, almost regardless of cost. So it's not a supply issue at all.

Duhhhh, Boiler.

The auto companies won't be able to get enough batteries by 2030 to produce 100% electric cars.  We will not be able to ramp up lithium production during that time.

Charging statings will not be a long term road block.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/will-lithium-run-out/

Next to price itself, the biggest reason people are reluctant to switch to EV cars is the range on a single charge.

That issue is resolved two ways - manufacturing batteries with longer range and also building a robust charging network.

Biggest reasons people dont switch to EV cars

Boilerman is a big advocate of building infrastructure for the energy source (oil) that will be declining over the next 10 years.    He's isnt so big on building infrastructure for the energy source that will be increasing over the next 10 years.    Good thing we have forward looking people running the government instead of those who think combustion engine vehicles are the future   

I have zero problem with money being spent on charging stations and lithium mining.  I don't want the funds to come from government, however.

Thats the problem.   You cant make money building an unsubsidized charging station right now.   And people dont want EV cars until there are charging stations.    

you cant wish away that catch-22.    

AmTrak, the interstate highway system...both were built with government funds. Why? Because the private sector didn't have the resources. FURTHERMORE, the private sector would only have built those sections which were the most immediately profitable--leaving the rest of the country in the lurch. The post office is the same way. If it were operated for profit, there would be no rural service and many communities would be served once a week, if at all.

The removal of the profit motive enables the building of transportation infrastructure much more quickly and efficiently. It's like universal health care. All other things being equal, which is cheaper, health care or health care + corporate profits?

Of course, Boiler's silly, reflexive conservitard objection is based on the Reaganite shibboleth "GUMMINT AM BAD." But I'd rather pay for a national EV grid all at once, with my taxes, than gradually and piecemeal through putting my money in corporate pockets.

Sometimes, Boiler, gummint am good.

The bullet train in Ca is billions over budget, with no idea when it will be done. Amtrak loses millions. The post office is inefficient. One example I can walk to 4 post offices. They should be consolidated into one. 

Attempts at universal health care has been tried in several states & dropped because of cost. Government efficiency is a fantasy in the minds of socialists like Kevin 

 How did the internal combustion engine make it without government subsidies?  Hell, most Liberals and certainly Kevin hates every big business...........now you guys want to give 'em money.

I don't.

Who do you think builds the roads the cars drive on?  ....and the biggest project was liberal Dwight Eisenhauer's highway system.

Boilerman doesnt seem to understand basic facts of history ...or consider the pitfalls of his "no government" ideology.   Maybe thats why he likes to change the topic.