Looks like the orange liar's plan to have a special master backfired.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

As alluded to in previous threads regarding a necessity for congressional / candidate compromize between R's and D's, I agree with your general premise here. Presently, the odds of it happening ( on the hard issues) are extremely poor. The psychological/ attitudinal landscape of the electorate and the candidates / elected members in general is "Whom can I piss off and fight hardest against today?" Subsequently, the grand majority of the electorate additionally wants / needs something to raise hell about and falls in line like a covey of quail regardless of party / ideological affiliation. Those facts don't mean we should stop trying to board  the " get along and get something accomplished" train. I  think widespread and tentacled Covid experiences screwed up the country's mentality in a bunch of ways..or maybe that's just the reason I occasionally employ to cover all the insane DC and national calamity stuff.

 

The Trump clone / copycat inference is misguided imo, particularly on the behavioral front. That premise assumes he is clonable...he likely isn't on a grand scale. He defies any precast mold..or template. He represents the antithesis of compromize, which just might be a partial reason millions originally and currently support him. As stated before here, I personally supported several of his POLICY stances ( mostly fiscal issues..and, sure I benefitted from the tax cuts..at the time). I aborted my support for him with his behavioral stuff surrounding Jan. 6th. All archaic and somewhat boring news.

 

If he runs, I'll support DeSantis as stated here previously. I'd vehemently disagree that he's a Trump clone, too.

So, there's some more tree bark for you to gnaw on if you so choose. 

 

Whom would you support from the D side? Give me some of that reciprocal bark to chew on.


Even a cursory examination of DeSantis's messaging, style, and behavior shows him to be, or at least want to be, a Trump copycat. In particular, I've observed that he prefers stunts and throwing red meat to actually doing anything constructive. And yes, he was Trumpy-irresponsible during the pandemic.

 

The salient point is that he's trying to appeal to the exact same gang of idiots that Trump so successfully corralled. Trump never presented them with any actual rational reason to vote for him, and he never did anything when in office (that tax break boondoggle was cooked up by top Republicans; all he did was sign it.) Likewise, Florida Man hasn't said, and won't say, what he intends to accomplish, other than vague slogans and shibboleths like "stop open borders."

 

I'm really surprised that you don't realize that there have been hundreds of Trumps throughout history, many very successful. He's like cancer--unusual but far from rare.

 

FWIW, I consider Elizabeth Warren to be the best candidate, but she's unelectable. Next would be Pete Buttigleg, but maybe a gay person isn't electable either. So perhaps Amy Klobuchar? She's Minnesota Nice, which counts for a lot in those upper Midwest battleground states.

OK. We generally disagree yet again...more archaic news. I'd guess you don't consider Joe Manchin a viable candidate. He's shown some tendencies for compromize..even though he also displayed some hypocritical actions when he thought they'd come through with the pipeline in his home state. See why I suggested football now?  *l*

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

OK. We generally disagree yet again...more archaic news. I'd guess you don't consider Joe Manchin a viable candidate. He's shown some tendencies for compromize..even though he also displayed some hypocritical actions when he thought they'd come through with the pipeline in his home state. See why I suggested football now?  *l*


Joe Manchin should be buried alive in a coal mine. But yeah, it's time to destroy thousands of brain cells. You just can't get enough pickup truck, beer, and shaving commercials.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

As alluded to in previous threads regarding a necessity for congressional / candidate compromize between R's and D's, I agree with your general premise here. Presently, the odds of it happening ( on the hard issues) are extremely poor. The psychological/ attitudinal landscape of the electorate and the candidates / elected members in general is "Whom can I piss off and fight hardest against today?" Subsequently, the grand majority of the electorate additionally wants / needs something to raise hell about and falls in line like a covey of quail regardless of party / ideological affiliation. Those facts don't mean we should stop trying to board  the " get along and get something accomplished" train. I  think widespread and tentacled Covid experiences screwed up the country's mentality in a bunch of ways..or maybe that's just the reason I occasionally employ to cover all the insane DC and national calamity stuff.

 

The Trump clone / copycat inference is misguided imo, particularly on the behavioral front. That premise assumes he is clonable...he likely isn't on a grand scale. He defies any precast mold..or template. He represents the antithesis of compromize, which just might be a partial reason millions originally and currently support him. As stated before here, I personally supported several of his POLICY stances ( mostly fiscal issues..and, sure I benefitted from the tax cuts..at the time). I aborted my support for him with his behavioral stuff surrounding Jan. 6th. All archaic and somewhat boring news.

 

If he runs, I'll support DeSantis as stated here previously. I'd vehemently disagree that he's a Trump clone, too.

So, there's some more tree bark for you to gnaw on if you so choose. 

 

Whom would you support from the D side? Give me some of that reciprocal bark to chew on.


DeSantis' popularity derives from him being an asshole to liberals.   He hasnt passsed any meaningful legislation in his state....nor did he sponcer any meaningful legislation during his time in COngress.   He's dick to people on the left and thats why people like him .... like what he did to Disney.  And what he did with the bussing of immigrants that werent even in his state.  Those things didnt create jobs or solve problems.  they just made for great fodder on right wing radio.   Is he a Trump clone in the sense that he wants to be a dictator?  No.  Is he a Trump clone in the sense that he is purposefully devisive, thin skinned, and punitive to people on the other side of the aisle?  100%

 

Whom do I support on the "D" side?  How about the current guy in office who ran his campaign on bringing the country together and has already passed huge bills with bipartisan support.   And who isnt afraid to say he's happy to work with people on the other side of the aisle whom he largely sees as good people and not someone he should try to punish within his constituional powers to do so.     And if he doesnt run I'd go for Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobochar - both of whom share the same discourse.

 


I'm kind of frightened that an intelligent person such as Charles doesn't see that DeSantis is nothing but a younger and slightly less ugly copy of Trump. He claims to have repudiated Trump because of his asshole behavior and lack of character--yet, Florida Man displays the exact same characteristics, in equal measure.

 

I'm particularly disgusted by his predilection for stunts and dog whistles rather than actually accomplishing anything--and that even includes the evil goals of his ostensible masters, the RepubliQ. He seems to be building his popularity solely by being an asshole. And it's working! Stay away from Florida.

PJ and Kevin..Once again we revolve /devolve  back to the omnipresent R vs D affiliation separation. Then based on those unmovable separations, we begin to offer moral judgements on opposing reps / candidates. The core issue/ policy separation is truly the initial matchstick in an inevitable and incessant forest fire..if you'd care to apply some truth to the argument. Then we naturally, as humanity is prone to do, find ways to extend our arguments beyond any policy or issue position and commence to calling people assholes. I ain't participating..but you guys have fun displaying your own personal acts of professed morality and character.

 

There's some decent football games on today, Kevin. And if you DVR them, you don't even have to watch beer, pickup, and shaving ads. One can fast-forward past the pain. I agree on that point..those commercials suck big green ones. Of course, one would have to appreciate the games themselves to consider it as an acceptable form of entertainment. I do, despite my education. *l*

 

Carry on..enjoy

 

 

Edited on Dec 4, 2022 1:17pm
Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

PJ and Kevin..Once again we revolve /devolve  back to the omnipresent R vs D affiliation separation. Then based on those unmovable separations, we begin to offer moral judgements on opposing reps / candidates. The core issue/ policy separation is truly the initial matchstick in an inevitable and incessant forest fire..if you'd care to apply some truth to the argument. Then we naturally, as humanity is prone to do, find ways to extend our arguments beyond any policy or issue position and commence to calling people assholes. I ain't participating..but you guys have fun displaying your own personal acts of professed morality and character.

 

There's some decent football games on today, Kevin. And if you DVR them, you don't even have to watch beer, pickup, and shaving ads. One can fast-forward past the pain. I agree on that point..those commercials suck big green ones. Of course, one would have to appreciate the games themselves to consider it as an acceptable form of entertainment. I do, despite my education. *l*

 

Carry on..enjoy

 

 


I offer "moral judgments" based on actions, not party affiliations. Both PJ and I have repeatedly said that there are good Republicans. There are also plenty of Republican assholes. Does it not bother you that the RepubliQ have tossed those good ones overboard and have cleaved to the assholes?

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

DeSantis' popularity derives from him being an asshole to liberals.   He hasnt passsed any meaningful legislation in his state....nor did he sponcer any meaningful legislation during his time in COngress.   He's dick to people on the left and thats why people like him .... like what he did to Disney.  And what he did with the bussing of immigrants that werent even in his state.  Those things didnt create jobs or solve problems.  they just made for great fodder on right wing radio.   Is he a Trump clone in the sense that he wants to be a dictator?  No.  Is he a Trump clone in the sense that he is purposefully devisive, thin skinned, and punitive to people on the other side of the aisle?  100%

 

Whom do I support on the "D" side?  How about the current guy in office who ran his campaign on bringing the country together and has already passed huge bills with bipartisan support.   And who isnt afraid to say he's happy to work with people on the other side of the aisle whom he largely sees as good people and not someone he should try to punish within his constituional powers to do so.     And if he doesnt run I'd go for Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobochar - both of whom share the same discourse.

 


He actually formed enough sentences to say all that?  Really?

 

The current guy on the D side has one foot in a nursing home.  I can't believe anybody would really actually like this guy.  He can say anything he wants.  He can barely stay awake or cognizant enought to do anything but maybe rubber-stamp sign something he has no idea as to what it says.  You do see videos of him, right?  

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

He actually formed enough sentences to say all that?  Really?

 

The current guy on the D side has one foot in a nursing home.  I can't believe anybody would really actually like this guy.  He can say anything he wants.  He can barely stay awake or cognizant enought to do anything but maybe rubber-stamp sign something he has no idea as to what it says.  You do see videos of him, right?  


Yeah, and Obama was too young.   Boo hoo.   I dont have much regard for criticisms from the tan suit police.  

 

He's managed to stay awake long enough to pass the most meaningful investment in the  UNited States since Eisenhaur.   And word has it he even pays attention during his daily security briefings which is light years beyond his predecessor.    

 

 

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

He actually formed enough sentences to say all that?  Really?

 

The current guy on the D side has one foot in a nursing home.  I can't believe anybody would really actually like this guy.  He can say anything he wants.  He can barely stay awake or cognizant enought to do anything but maybe rubber-stamp sign something he has no idea as to what it says.  You do see videos of him, right?  


You're cherry-picking. You see heavily edited clips of him on Fox News and convince yourself they're representative. I could point you to dozens of videos that, unedited, show him doing just fine. But you'll believe what you want to believe, unhampered by facts.

 

He's a medium-lousy public speaker and he fights to control his lifelong stutter. The uneducated think that people with speech impediments are mentally impaired.

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