Mask & Distance Debate

Well, yes, it's all a giant liberal hoax, and no one has actually died from Covid. Damfool Deep State!

I guess I missed where I said that... I guess since I don't agree with you that I must be ignorant or some right wing nut job. All I said was that the numbers have been inflated because of monetary reasons.

And how on earth do you know that? You're privy to information no one else has? (And I'm not referring to some article written by a conspiracy theorist.)

If you're going to make a statement like that, you'll have to prove that Covid deaths are overreported and that there is a monetary incentive to do so. I don't buy it.

I think you're trying to draw a distinction between deaths from Covid and deaths from Covid-related complications. But they're the same thing, as having your lungs filled up with virus doesn't directly kill you--it could be pneumonia, or shock from an overstimulated immune system, or a thousand other things. And let's say you're obese or have diabetes, and that prevents you from recovering from the viral infection. Is the cause of death obesity or diabetes? No, it's Covid. It's just like if you die in a car crash because you didn't have your seat belt fastened, the crash is still what killed you, not the seat belt.

Because that's what you would do if you had the chance to make money off of other people's misery. That's called projection. Thank you for letting us know who you are.

I don't think that's where Rick was coming from.

Do you consider C-SPAN and our Gov't a Conspiracy site?

2 minute clip of the CDC confirming that this does happen and has happened before. Also from what I can find the hospitals get an extra roughly 13k per case and 30k something for a respirator.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4897385/user-clip-cdc-director-acknowledges-inflation-covid-19-death-count

I did see some other sites like factcheck that refuted these claims but they were checked in April which was very early in the pandemic. This clip is from a July HR hearing.

Now as for personal expierence. My wife is a nurse that takes care of retirees from the Nevada Test Site. She has had one patient that has been deemed death from Covid. He had silicosis and some cancers that were related to radiation exposure. He was in the hospital for 3 weeks in July for treatment of his cancers and in that time was tested 3 times for covid all negative with the final test being on the day he was discharged. He was home less than one day and had issues with dehydration and was admitted to a different hospital, two days later he was dead, now he never had a covid test while in this second hospital that his records showed but the death was ruled possible covid related death because he was having severe problems breathing. He had a history of being admitted for the breathing issues as silicosis will do this.

Now I will admit that sure maybe he did get Covid in those 3 days and died that quick from it but indications point against that conclusion.

No, sure wasn't. Just stating that there are people that will do that. 

Pardon this uninformed interruption:  When Covid appeared, my health insurance statements started including this: 

"Due to the impact of the recent Covid-19 Pandemic, covered services rendered by all providers directly related to the coronavirus will be paid in full.  You will pay nothing for any general medical physician service provided by our national teledoc network during this crisis."

Since we haven't had Covid, I can't relate to this as far as what is paid or forgiven by the hospital or clinic or doctor if one does have Covid.  Does it mean only telehealth visits, maybe if one called his doctor to report symptoms?  Or a hospital stay?  ICU care?   Is the insurance company paying the full bill and copays etc. are waved?

Just curious if anybody has seen this.

I have no answer for that.

I live in Oregon and am covered by the state health plan, which since 1992, has covered everybody for everything. No exceptions, no qualifications, no weaseling.

I did see a notice similar to yours, addressed to all enrollees on the OHP, that said that all medical treatments related to the coronavirus would be free of charge, including testing and diagnosis, medications, and vaccines. Hospital care is also completely covered. That was back in March.

We've got the healthcare system that the rest of the country desperately wants and makes Republican heads explode. No one can be turned down, and high-risk patients are charged a maximum of 130% of the national average (and in reality, it's more like 90% unless you're a shambling wreck).