You might have to post pictures of "livestock". - I don't believe PJ or Kevin know that "livestock" includes cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, horses, donkeys, and mules;-- according to Google. Even the self proclaimed master linguist Kevin and his brother PJ should know this. They may, but for their moronic narratives they preferer to call them , incorrectly and and inclusively, "horse pills".
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Nope, I never said that it has been used to successfully treat Covid, just that it been used 350,000 times in one country alone as an attempt to treat Covid. I don't believe that there is much published data available yet, but it's still be used regularly in Latin America.
I assume that you and Kevin don't care to learn that it's been prescribed to humans millions of times for other illnesses, yet you and the liberal rags call it a horse pill. I'm confident that you're calling at a horse pill because CNN first called it a horse pill. Maybe PMSNBC?
By the way, in the animal world it's mostly used for livestock, not for horses.
I didnt say you said.. I said FOX News said. And I posted my links which show as much. And you said that was wrong. So lets clear that part up - FOX News is on record giving credence to using the pesticide and deworming drug, Ivervectin, to treat a viral infection. Are you stil disagreeing about that part?
I dont really give a shit what third world countries are doing. If they are giving Ivervectin to their public its a massive waste of money. Which begs the question why is FOX News primetime pointing to it as a successful endeavor?
And to your point.... just because medication treat some illnesses doesnt make them a panacea for COVID-19. I would think thats a completely obvious statement ...but you seem to struggle. So let me spell it out -
Preperation-H is widely used to treat illness - like David Miller's Hemmoroids. That doesn't constitute evidence for it working for COVID 19, does it? What if your mysterious third world country you researched prescribed that? Would you hold that up as evidence?
And people who use Ivervectin as prescribed by a doctor dont buy it from the feed store like the people in MIssissippi. Thats because doctors arent prescribing it to them. I thought I made that obvious point too.
What else can I help with today?
Isn't it hilarious that Stalker and Boiler will leap to defend one of the all-time stupidest things Republicans have ever done (which is really saying something!), twisting themselves into logical knots in the process?
Conservatism rots the brain.
A horse is a horse of course
And no one can talk to a horse of course...
COVID started as a virus and mutated into an IQ test.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
70% of the calls to the poison hotline in Mississippi are in regards to people taking horse dewormer
Somehow the good citizens of Mississippi have got the idea that a livestock medication used to kill worms in horses is a trustworthy antidote to COVID-19 for humans. The FDA, CDC, and every sane doctor on the planet has said the drug,Ivervectin, has no benefit and is actually harmful. But somehow MIssissippi thinks taking horse medicine is preferable to the liberal-Dr Jekyl-COVID vaccine. And they are getting poisoned.
And where would they get such an idea that horse Medicine is a good way to address the COVID virus?
Tucker Carlson gives credence to using Horse pills
Sean Hannity gives credence to using Ivervectin
Laura Ingraham validates the use of Ivervectin on her show
Have a COVID free day...
Okay PJ, I just wasted 15 minutes of my life watching the Hannity video and reading your linked article. The video doesn't address Ivermectin, while the article does mention this drug 5 times. What did Hannity say that was inaccurate? Furthermore, you statement that Ivermectin has been proven to have no Covid benefit is not accurate. No tests have been completed to prove the drug is effective nor ineffective.
I'm not suggesting anyone go take this drug. In fact, I believe that anyone not getting vaccinated is an idiot. Let's stick with the facts and the truth, however.
By the way, I support one's right to be an idiot.
PJ, now back to Hannity. What did he say that was not accurate?
I live to serve - all of the parts in RED have absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever. But Boilerman apparently thinks they do.....and I'll just leave it at that. And we dont need to fight about it - if Boilerman thinks Ivermectin is a sound medicine to treat COVID-19 as per Sean and his "expert" batshit crazy guest then so be it. There's lots of poisoned people in mississippi who agree with him.
" I had an outbreak in my nursing home. I treated with our cocktail.
And we've used agents that are -- that we knew from the beginning were effective, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, azithromycin, doxycycline, zinc, and we go on now to add in monoclonal antibodies. So we have a one-two punch neutralizing the circulating virus.
And it's important to take the early treatment approach, that mass vaccination is not going to be the solution.
HANNITY: I am shocked when I talk to friends of mine. And listen, this is my business, so I -- I'm constantly reading. They've never heard of Regeneron or ivermectin and what people unfortunately heard once they politicized hydroxychloroquine, two prestigious medical journals had to actually take back the studies because they weren't even right. They were wrong, and we now have numerous studies.
And you discuss in your best-selling book, Dr. Saphier, the politics surrounding even the discussion when you had nothing before we had of any vaccine or developed Regeneron and monoclonal cocktails, you know, we had nothing -- the premier expert on hydroxychloroquine said the risk is nil. Dr. Daniel Wallace, Cedar Sinai, 45 years he's been dispensing the drug.
But you rightly point out, even talked about it -- oh, that's it, you're -- you know, you got excoriated.
DR. NICOLE SAPHIER, FOX NEWS MEDICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Oh, I sure did. And so, Sean, I mean, Dr. Fareed, he's been in practice -- I believe -- I don't want to date you, so I'm sorry Dr. Fareed, but I believe like 50 years at this point.
FAREED: Yeah (INAUDIBLE)
SAPHIER: So the people who should not be restricting what he decides to do with his patients. But that's the thing. At the very beginning of the pandemic, we saw pharmacy boards state legislators telling someone like Dr. Fareed, who had been practicing for 50 years, what he can and cannot prescribe. Well, when you have a novel virus, and you have people all across the globe trying new things, trying to save lives, trying to keep people out of the hospital with medications that are cheap, had been proven safe for other illnesses and actually had known antiviral effects, that makes sense.
I mean the fact there was so much politicization around that was truly disturbing, Sean, and all honestly and it still continues to be so. I have friends, I have colleagues who truly believe that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, that they work. They work at preventing severe disease.
You know, the data -- I am a data person. I stick behind my evidence-based medicine and academia. And you know, the jury's still out when it comes -- when it comes to hydroxychloroquine, I don't know if I'm quite convinced yet. I think that maybe in appropriate setting it might be able to prevent severe disease. Ivermectin, a lot of studies still ongoing. We know it has an ability to decrease viral load in vitro."
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
I live to serve - all of the parts in RED have absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever. But Boilerman apparently thinks they do.....and I'll just leave it at that. And we dont need to fight about it - if Boilerman thinks Ivermectin is a sound medicine to treat COVID-19 as per Sean and his "expert" batshit crazy guest then so be it. There's lots of poisoned people in mississippi who agree with him.
" I had an outbreak in my nursing home. I treated with our cocktail.
And we've used agents that are -- that we knew from the beginning were effective, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, azithromycin, doxycycline, zinc, and we go on now to add in monoclonal antibodies. So we have a one-two punch neutralizing the circulating virus.
And it's important to take the early treatment approach, that mass vaccination is not going to be the solution.
HANNITY: I am shocked when I talk to friends of mine. And listen, this is my business, so I -- I'm constantly reading. They've never heard of Regeneron or ivermectin and what people unfortunately heard once they politicized hydroxychloroquine, two prestigious medical journals had to actually take back the studies because they weren't even right. They were wrong, and we now have numerous studies.
And you discuss in your best-selling book, Dr. Saphier, the politics surrounding even the discussion when you had nothing before we had of any vaccine or developed Regeneron and monoclonal cocktails, you know, we had nothing -- the premier expert on hydroxychloroquine said the risk is nil. Dr. Daniel Wallace, Cedar Sinai, 45 years he's been dispensing the drug.
But you rightly point out, even talked about it -- oh, that's it, you're -- you know, you got excoriated.
DR. NICOLE SAPHIER, FOX NEWS MEDICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Oh, I sure did. And so, Sean, I mean, Dr. Fareed, he's been in practice -- I believe -- I don't want to date you, so I'm sorry Dr. Fareed, but I believe like 50 years at this point.
FAREED: Yeah (INAUDIBLE)
SAPHIER: So the people who should not be restricting what he decides to do with his patients. But that's the thing. At the very beginning of the pandemic, we saw pharmacy boards state legislators telling someone like Dr. Fareed, who had been practicing for 50 years, what he can and cannot prescribe. Well, when you have a novel virus, and you have people all across the globe trying new things, trying to save lives, trying to keep people out of the hospital with medications that are cheap, had been proven safe for other illnesses and actually had known antiviral effects, that makes sense.
I mean the fact there was so much politicization around that was truly disturbing, Sean, and all honestly and it still continues to be so. I have friends, I have colleagues who truly believe that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, that they work. They work at preventing severe disease.
You know, the data -- I am a data person. I stick behind my evidence-based medicine and academia. And you know, the jury's still out when it comes -- when it comes to hydroxychloroquine, I don't know if I'm quite convinced yet. I think that maybe in appropriate setting it might be able to prevent severe disease. Ivermectin, a lot of studies still ongoing. We know it has an ability to decrease viral load in vitro."
So you agree with Hannity that the studies that he mentioned needed to be retracted because they were not correct?
I'm not saying that Ivermectin works well, but you can't show me a study that says it doesn't work. You can only show me a bunch of people who claim that it doesn't work, yet they have no study to back their position.
I'm waiting.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
So you agree with Hannity that the studies that he mentioned needed to be retracted because they were not correct?
I'm not saying that Ivermectin works well, but you can't show me a study that says it doesn't work. You can only show me a bunch of people who claim that it doesn't work, yet they have no study to back their position.
I'm waiting.
Hmm - lets see. A study that shows Ivervectin doesnt work? Wait, I have one. All the dead people in Mississippi. What else can I help with today?
Im happy to stand on the fact the Ivervectin is not an FDA approved drug for COVID and despite this fact FOX News is validating it as such by bringing on Witchdoctors who say it is. And now people in Mississippi are dying as a result.
That is true. I've shown it to be true in this thread. And it seems to have gotten under your skin and made you deseprate to change the conversation. I'm sorry about that....and I'm also not interested in playing your game.
PJ, not one person in Mississippi has died from taking the drug. Only one person was suggested to get checked out after taking the drug. You can't provide a study showing that the drug doesn't work, because no such study exists as of today.
You've got nothing, and usually it takes Kevin to make me write that.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, not one person in Mississippi has died from taking the drug. Only one person was suggested to get checked out after taking the drug. You can't provide a study showing that the drug doesn't work, because no such study exists as of today.
You've got nothing, and usually it takes Kevin to make me write that.
All of the points I made with this thread hold true....and you've done nothing to refute them:
1) Ivermectin is not an approved drug for COVID
2) FOX news prime time on several occassions said that it was a valid treatment for COVID
3) People in Mississippi were poisoned as a result
THose things are true. Asking me to prove a negative doesnt make them less true...and its also something any 10th grade debate teacher will call out as being out of bounds. I cant find a study that shows dog shit doesnt cure COVID either....maybe Hannity can sell eating a plate of that to his audience tonight.
Have a COVID free day/
