Originally posted by: Dealer1
Did we get "regime change", "elimination of enriched uranium", or "unconditional surrender"?
I think we got "the world now hates us and we accomplished less than nothing."
Granted, that goal was accomplished flawlessly by Noble Dear Leader Emperor Trump.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
I 100% guarantee there will be no permanent deal under the Trump administration. He doesnt want one.
Iran now holds alot more cards than they did when Obama dealt with them....and they have more radicalized leadership. THere is no deal to be had that will be better than the one Obama received.
So this is what happens: Trump does a series of ceasefire deals to stop the fighting for the rest of his term. The bigger deal for uranium, Hezbulla and Iranian reparations will be left to his successor.....and when that deal is made ex-president Trump will go on a right wing media tour shitting on the deal and saying how much better his deal would have been if he was still in office. And David will be shitting his pants too.
Mark this post. Its Nostradamus-like accurate.
There won't likely be any type of 'treaty' with Iran because it would require a supermajority ( two-thirds Senate vote) to be ratified ; the current partisanship status in DC won't be conducive to that end. There in fact hasn't been any 'permanent deal' between the US and Iran since before 1980; Obama's JCPOA nuclear reduction deal of 2015 was withdrawn from because Israeli and US intelligence sources confirmed that Iran had violated some of the JCPOA terms ( withdrawn from in 2018). One of the key issues regarding any type of stated or inferred diplomacy or military agreement between the US and Iran is trust. Iran has routinely failed at that historically with a strategic approach characterized by regional pursuance of upheaval and chaos via backing of militant groups. Iran's government, domestic conditions, and human rights status are quite representative of systemic authoritarianism. It's pretty difficult to expect any type of long term deal with these people if one uses history as an analytic.
History shows we did have a deal that both sides honored under the JCPOA from the Obama administration.
It was DOnald Trump (not Iran) that threw that in the garbage.
There was also ongoing negotiations pror to the current war in which Iran was said to have been offering nuclear material in exchange for sanctions relief. Trump threw that in the garbage too.
So now we're going to end up with something a helluva lot worse. And all those people who complained about money Iran received from the JCPOA are going to have a lot of egg on their face.
@ PJ:
That's fine but three years isn't a permanent deal. Yeah, Trump withdrew from the JCPOA because of what the intelligence sources were reporting regarding Iran's enrichment activities. Iran APPARENTLY didn't honor the tenets of the agreement ( I wasn't there and don't know the details or the factual truth). I'm not suggesting that some of the motivation for that withdrawal was for completely nonpolitical reasons; Trump likes to be under the lights, granted. We'll never know just how close Iran was to an actual worrisome enrichment level before all this current conflict started. It's difficult to believe all the narratives from both politicians and the media, it's as if sometimes we just have to wait until the shit hits the proverbial fan to know the truth?
You refer to the reported negotiations we've all observed in the past ..what..2-3 months? A very large joke in terms of what we were fed ..extension after extension after extension. We were in the dark intentionally, imo. One question remains..can we trust Iran? There's a lot of evidence showing that we ultimately can't, imo.
Originally posted by: Nines
@ PJ:
That's fine but three years isn't a permanent deal. Yeah, Trump withdrew from the JCPOA because of what the intelligence sources were reporting regarding Iran's enrichment activities. Iran APPARENTLY didn't honor the tenets of the agreement ( I wasn't there and don't know the details or the factual truth). I'm not suggesting that some of the motivation for that withdrawal was for completely nonpolitical reasons; Trump likes to be under the lights, granted. We'll never know just how close Iran was to an actual worrisome enrichment level before all this current conflict started. It's difficult to believe all the narratives from both politicians and the media, it's as if sometimes we just have to wait until the shit hits the proverbial fan to know the truth?
You refer to the reported negotiations we've all observed in the past ..what..2-3 months? A very large joke in terms of what we were fed ..extension after extension after extension. We were in the dark intentionally, imo. One question remains..can we trust Iran? There's a lot of evidence showing that we ultimately can't, imo.
More importantly, can they trust us? Can anyone? We've unilaterally broken treaties and agreements with the entire world.
MAGA, Trump, and even you have to acknowledge: we're the bad guys here. Iran is big bad meanies and they dress funny, but they didn't attack us. They dropped a few drones on Bibi, but that was tit for tat.
What cards does Iran have?
Is it their nuclear program- no
Is it their economy - not with a a 70% inflation
Money to fund terrotism - no
A depleted missile inventory ?
An Air Force?
A navy
Air defenses?
And the knowledge that if they act up a 2,000 pound bomb will drop on their heads
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
More importantly, can they trust us? Can anyone? We've unilaterally broken treaties and agreements with the entire world.
MAGA, Trump, and even you have to acknowledge: we're the bad guys here. Iran is big bad meanies and they dress funny, but they didn't attack us. They dropped a few drones on Bibi, but that was tit for tat.
You are an anti-America idiot.
Originally posted by: tom
What cards does Iran have?
Is it their nuclear program- no
Is it their economy - not with a a 70% inflation
Money to fund terrotism - no
A depleted missile inventory ?
An Air Force?
A navy
Air defenses?
And the knowledge that if they act up a 2,000 pound bomb will drop on their heads
De facto control of the Strait, absolute control of their country (strengthened by Trump), large oil reserves, and most importantly, the sympathy of the world. And they'll "act up," as you put it, if they feel like it, because Trump isn't going to mess with them after getting spanked.
Oh, and we didn't put a scratch on their nuclear weapons program.
The whole world is going to freak out if the Turd starts things up again. And as far as Iran's military preparedness is concerned: both China and Russia are rearming them, free of charge, just so they can stick it to us.
So much losing!
Originally posted by: David Miller
You are an anti-America idiot.
Anti-Trump and anti-America are two very different things, despite what you MAGA pigs claim.
With effort the US could have reopened the Strait but Iran could not stop the US blockade
