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Originally posted by: Nines

The deep political polarization, social media pressure, and egotism from individuals and parties has almost completely eroded any incentive for compromise / finding common ground. One can't find a common ground relationship today as that exhibited by Reagan and Tip Oneill who were fierce ideological opponents but  worked together to solve some problems. They were both patriots in that respect.


I think I've argued with you about this before.    I know everyone likes to say its a pox on both houses  ....and both sides are just mirror images of each other.      I just dont think that measures up to recent history.

 

Since Obama took office Republicans have been completely against working with Democrats on anything.   John Boehner went on 60 minutes and was asked if there was any way he could compromise with Democrats on anything - He said he despised the word.       Paul Ryan went to his colleagues on the first day of the Obama Inauguration and vowed to unconditionally opposse  Obama on everything  regardless of agreement or none.    We saw this again in 2012 when the Republican candidates for president where all on stage for the debate and asked if they would accept a compromise with Democrats that favored them 10:1.    Only one hand went up from the 8 contestants and he was booed by the audience.    And if you are a Republican running for office today you cant get through a primary on a platform of cross-aisle-cooperation.

 

Every Democratic candidate for president since Clinton has openly campaigned and marketed themselves as someone who could work across the aisle in good faith with Republicans.     Thats not just something they did in once in office as an olive branch - they actually could markert that dynamic to their base and get passed a primary.  

 

Working across the aisle is not a deal breaker for Democrat candidates with their base.   It is with Republicans.

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

I think I've argued with you about this before.    I know everyone likes to say its a pox on both houses  ....and both sides are just mirror images of each other.      I just dont think that measures up to recent history.

 

Since Obama took office Republicans have been completely against working with Democrats on anything.   John Boehner went on 60 minutes and was asked if there was any way he could compromise with Democrats on anything - He said he despised the word.       Paul Ryan went to his colleagues on the first day of the Obama Inauguration and vowed to unconditionally opposse  Obama on everything  regardless of agreement or none.    We saw this again in 2012 when the Republican candidates for president where all on stage for the debate and asked if they would accept a compromise with Democrats that favored them 10:1.    Only one hand went up from the 8 contestants and he was booed by the audience.    And if you are a Republican running for office today you cant get through a primary on a platform of cross-aisle-cooperation.

 

Every Democratic candidate for president since Clinton has openly campaigned and marketed themselves as someone who could work across the aisle in good faith with Republicans.     Thats not just something they did in once in office as an olive branch - they actually could markert that dynamic to their base and get passed a primary.  

 

Working across the aisle is not a deal breaker for Democrat candidates with their base.   It is with Republicans.

 

 

 

 

 


I already schooled Nines on this, earlier in this thread, which was met with deafening silence, not even the usual insults.

 

As you point out, for Republicans, compromise is a dirty word and those who want to reach across the aisle are savagely punished and their careers crushed. MAGA voters likewise want a brute force government with Republicans not yielding an inch.

 

Republicans used to believe in democracy as much as Democrats do. Now, it's a negative for them.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I already schooled Nines on this, earlier in this thread, which was met with deafening silence, not even the usual insults.

 

As you point out, for Republicans, compromise is a dirty word and those who want to reach across the aisle are savagely punished and their careers crushed. MAGA voters likewise want a brute force government with Republicans not yielding an inch.

 

Republicans used to believe in democracy as much as Democrats do. Now, it's a negative for them.


  You can't compromise with obstructing corrupt DemocRATs.

Originally posted by: David Miller

  You can't compromise with obstructing corrupt DemocRATs.


MAGA certainly can't compromise with anyone if they don't even try, and they certainly won't try if they spend every waking hour screaming about how compromise is a dirty word.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

MAGA certainly can't compromise with anyone if they don't even try, and they certainly won't try if they spend every waking hour screaming about how compromise is a dirty word.


   One can not "compromise" with an idiot.

Originally posted by: David Miller

   One can not "compromise" with an idiot.


One cannot compromise if one covers up one's reluctance to compromise by calling everyone else idiots.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

One cannot compromise if one covers up one's reluctance to compromise by calling everyone else idiots.


  The truth is the truth. 

Originally posted by: David Miller

  The truth is the truth. 


That statement is literally meaningless. It's like saying "a tomato is a tomato."

 

And it actually is possible to compromise with someone you think is an idiot: if you and they each want something, you can reach an agreement with them. For instance, it's possible to compromise with a MAGA idiot: just promise them you'll give them a six-pack of Bud and in return, they'll stop shooting squirrels in the city park.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That statement is literally meaningless. It's like saying "a tomato is a tomato."

 

And it actually is possible to compromise with someone you think is an idiot: if you and they each want something, you can reach an agreement with them. For instance, it's possible to compromise with a MAGA idiot: just promise them you'll give them a six-pack of Bud and in return, they'll stop shooting squirrels in the city park.


  Running your mouth saying nothing is all you have - more word salad...

Originally posted by: David Miller

  Running your mouth saying nothing is all you have - more word salad...


Yeah, that's your new go-to phrase when I use too many big words for you to understand.

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