The party of fiscal responsibility

...has decided to squelch the hiring of enough additional IRS agents so that the rich Republican tax cheats could finally be prosecuted. This is, of course, the play for pay from all those fat campaign finance checks, etc. that the fat cats wrote to the RepubliQ.

 

The CBO has said that the money spent on additional enforcement would generate a 500% return. The RepubliQ always whine about taxes, the deficit, etc. Both would be lower if the IRS were adequately funded.

 

The RepubliQ are corrupt hypocrites.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

...has decided to squelch the hiring of enough additional IRS agents so that the rich Republican tax cheats could finally be prosecuted. This is, of course, the play for pay from all those fat campaign finance checks, etc. that the fat cats wrote to the RepubliQ.

 

The CBO has said that the money spent on additional enforcement would generate a 500% return. The RepubliQ always whine about taxes, the deficit, etc. Both would be lower if the IRS were adequately funded.

 

The RepubliQ are corrupt hypocrites.


Are you finally admitting that republicans make more $ and are more successful than democrats?

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Are you finally admitting that republicans make more $ and are more successful than democrats?


No, I said that the moon is overrun with purple giraffes. Glad to see that your reading skills are as sharp as ever.

 

The vast majority of America"s fat cats are Republican...and so are the vast majority of tax cheats. So of course, they've been paying their employees in Congress to make sure they're not prosecuted.

 

That's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

...has decided to squelch the hiring of enough additional IRS agents so that the rich Republican tax cheats could finally be prosecuted. This is, of course, the play for pay from all those fat campaign finance checks, etc. that the fat cats wrote to the RepubliQ.

 

The CBO has said that the money spent on additional enforcement would generate a 500% return. The RepubliQ always whine about taxes, the deficit, etc. Both would be lower if the IRS were adequately funded.

 

The RepubliQ are corrupt hypocrites.


Complaining about excessive and wasteful taxation is an old subject. Can you say "Boston Tea Party"?. I'm still complaining about it. My objections are based on wasteful, abusive, and fraudulent spending applications by our government. I have no problem when my tax dollars are spent on meaningful education, infrastructure, law enforcement, or any truly essential good or service that directly assists the citizenry with their well being. Now I guess we have to define "meaningful" and or " directly useful" goods and services paid for via the tax base. That means we'll be arguing through infinity, I'm aware. No end to it, granted.

 

You can disagree, but this past year (2022) here's a few areas of tax dollar spending in the US that irks me.

 

Verifying that kids love their pets - $187,500  (National Institute of Health - NIH)

Radio campaign telling drivers to stop at RR crossings $200,000 ( Dept of Transportation -DOT)

Using mice to study racial aggression - $519,828  (NIH)

Studying social life and collective ant intelligence $675,000 (National Science Foundation - NSF)

Study of parrot romance - $689,000 ( NSF)

Training mice to binge drink alcohol - $1.1 M (NIH)

Observing hamsters fight on steroids - $3 M (NIH)

Unused hotel rooms for undocumented immigrants - $17M ( Dept Homeland Security -DHS)

Overpayment to govt. contractors for terminated contracts - $69M (Govt Services Agency - GSA)

Assistance to undocumented immigrants to avoid deportation - $168M (DHS)

Interest payment on the US debt - $475B (US Treasury)

Starbucks espresso machines - $192,000 (Dept of Defense - DOD)

Funding a 1.5 mile park for yoga and concerts in Austin, TX - $1.9M  (DOD)

 

There's much, much more..but these support the contention, imo.  This small sample list was somewhat cherry picked to support my conservative argument, admittedly. Feel free to counter with your own left-side list of wasteful / errant conservative spending / mistakes ( you guys do that anyway daily here..and I'm quite certain you'll have no problem identifying legitimate R screw-ups...they've contributed I'm aware). Do you liberals want your tax dollars invested in ant intelligence or the romantic proclivities of parrots? Or do you think I just don't have the visionary foresight to see the eventual benefit of these studies for the US citizenry? Whether R's, D's, or independents are involved..these allocations and many others are ridiculous..and we're all paying for it.

 

Re: your tax cheats points, they should be investigated (there's that silly word again) / prosecuted / jailed if the final evidence supports it. I'd strongly disagree that your typically lumped tax cheat group are restricted to R's. You're out of your mind to suggest that..and I don't know where you'd get any real proof of that claim. You'll have to do some of your own serious cherry picking to convince me of that claim. Regardless of political affiliation, tax cheats exist. If they break the law, they should pay the consequences.

 

I don't have an objection in the hiring of more IRS agents if it would in any way expedite their services or enhance efficiencies of their operation for the people. Roughly half of the $80B potential spending in the bill was slated for 'enforcement' actions. Would any of those potential actions approach that observed in the IRS targeting of conservatives observed in 2017? Will that spending contribute to more of that? Do we know? No, we don't.

 

And the Cowboys sucked last weekend..horrendously. You guys didn't pray enough..step up.

 

Cheers

 


Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Complaining about excessive and wasteful taxation is an old subject. Can you say "Boston Tea Party"?. I'm still complaining about it. My objections are based on wasteful, abusive, and fraudulent spending applications by our government. I have no problem when my tax dollars are spent on meaningful education, infrastructure, law enforcement, or any truly essential good or service that directly assists the citizenry with their well being. Now I guess we have to define "meaningful" and or " directly useful" goods and services paid for via the tax base. That means we'll be arguing through infinity, I'm aware. No end to it, granted.

 

You can disagree, but this past year (2022) here's a few areas of tax dollar spending in the US that irks me.

 

Verifying that kids love their pets - $187,500  (National Institute of Health - NIH)

Radio campaign telling drivers to stop at RR crossings $200,000 ( Dept of Transportation -DOT)

Using mice to study racial aggression - $519,828  (NIH)

Studying social life and collective ant intelligence $675,000 (National Science Foundation - NSF)

Study of parrot romance - $689,000 ( NSF)

Training mice to binge drink alcohol - $1.1 M (NIH)

Observing hamsters fight on steroids - $3 M (NIH)

Unused hotel rooms for undocumented immigrants - $17M ( Dept Homeland Security -DHS)

Overpayment to govt. contractors for terminated contracts - $69M (Govt Services Agency - GSA)

Assistance to undocumented immigrants to avoid deportation - $168M (DHS)

Interest payment on the US debt - $475B (US Treasury)

Starbucks espresso machines - $192,000 (Dept of Defense - DOD)

Funding a 1.5 mile park for yoga and concerts in Austin, TX - $1.9M  (DOD)

 

There's much, much more..but these support the contention, imo.  This small sample list was somewhat cherry picked to support my conservative argument, admittedly. Feel free to counter with your own left-side list of wasteful / errant conservative spending / mistakes ( you guys do that anyway daily here..and I'm quite certain you'll have no problem identifying legitimate R screw-ups...they've contributed I'm aware). Do you liberals want your tax dollars invested in ant intelligence or the romantic proclivities of parrots? Or do you think I just don't have the visionary foresight to see the eventual benefit of these studies for the US citizenry? Whether R's, D's, or independents are involved..these allocations and many others are ridiculous..and we're all paying for it.

 

Re: your tax cheats points, they should be investigated (there's that silly word again) / prosecuted / jailed if the final evidence supports it. I'd strongly disagree that your typically lumped tax cheat group are restricted to R's. You're out of your mind to suggest that..and I don't know where you'd get any real proof of that claim. You'll have to do some of your own serious cherry picking to convince me of that claim. Regardless of political affiliation, tax cheats exist. If they break the law, they should pay the consequences.

 

I don't have an objection in the hiring of more IRS agents if it would in any way expedite their services or enhance efficiencies of their operation for the people. Roughly half of the $80B potential spending in the bill was slated for 'enforcement' actions. Would any of those potential actions approach that observed in the IRS targeting of conservatives observed in 2017? Will that spending contribute to more of that? Do we know? No, we don't.

 

And the Cowboys sucked last weekend..horrendously. You guys didn't pray enough..step up.

 

Cheers

 


Those are good points you brought up. The problem is there ARE no fiscal conservative Republicans left.

The party has been hijacked by crazies, freaks, liars, thieves and insurrectionists.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Complaining about excessive and wasteful taxation is an old subject. Can you say "Boston Tea Party"?. I'm still complaining about it. My objections are based on wasteful, abusive, and fraudulent spending applications by our government. I have no problem when my tax dollars are spent on meaningful education, infrastructure, law enforcement, or any truly essential good or service that directly assists the citizenry with their well being. Now I guess we have to define "meaningful" and or " directly useful" goods and services paid for via the tax base. That means we'll be arguing through infinity, I'm aware. No end to it, granted.

 

You can disagree, but this past year (2022) here's a few areas of tax dollar spending in the US that irks me.

 

Verifying that kids love their pets - $187,500  (National Institute of Health - NIH)

Radio campaign telling drivers to stop at RR crossings $200,000 ( Dept of Transportation -DOT)

Using mice to study racial aggression - $519,828  (NIH)

Studying social life and collective ant intelligence $675,000 (National Science Foundation - NSF)

Study of parrot romance - $689,000 ( NSF)

Training mice to binge drink alcohol - $1.1 M (NIH)

Observing hamsters fight on steroids - $3 M (NIH)

Unused hotel rooms for undocumented immigrants - $17M ( Dept Homeland Security -DHS)

Overpayment to govt. contractors for terminated contracts - $69M (Govt Services Agency - GSA)

Assistance to undocumented immigrants to avoid deportation - $168M (DHS)

Interest payment on the US debt - $475B (US Treasury)

Starbucks espresso machines - $192,000 (Dept of Defense - DOD)

Funding a 1.5 mile park for yoga and concerts in Austin, TX - $1.9M  (DOD)

 

There's much, much more..but these support the contention, imo.  This small sample list was somewhat cherry picked to support my conservative argument, admittedly. Feel free to counter with your own left-side list of wasteful / errant conservative spending / mistakes ( you guys do that anyway daily here..and I'm quite certain you'll have no problem identifying legitimate R screw-ups...they've contributed I'm aware). Do you liberals want your tax dollars invested in ant intelligence or the romantic proclivities of parrots? Or do you think I just don't have the visionary foresight to see the eventual benefit of these studies for the US citizenry? Whether R's, D's, or independents are involved..these allocations and many others are ridiculous..and we're all paying for it.

 

Re: your tax cheats points, they should be investigated (there's that silly word again) / prosecuted / jailed if the final evidence supports it. I'd strongly disagree that your typically lumped tax cheat group are restricted to R's. You're out of your mind to suggest that..and I don't know where you'd get any real proof of that claim. You'll have to do some of your own serious cherry picking to convince me of that claim. Regardless of political affiliation, tax cheats exist. If they break the law, they should pay the consequences.

 

I don't have an objection in the hiring of more IRS agents if it would in any way expedite their services or enhance efficiencies of their operation for the people. Roughly half of the $80B potential spending in the bill was slated for 'enforcement' actions. Would any of those potential actions approach that observed in the IRS targeting of conservatives observed in 2017? Will that spending contribute to more of that? Do we know? No, we don't.

 

And the Cowboys sucked last weekend..horrendously. You guys didn't pray enough..step up.

 

Cheers

 


Are you talking about the IRS enforcing the law against political super-pacs that tried to disguise themselves as charities?  The only scandal from that tragic episode is FOX News and Republicans bullied the IRS into not enforcing the law.    And the "targeting of conservative pacs" was proven false.   The only group that ever actually got nailed (correctly) was a liberal pac.

 

Ther IRS doesnt determine guilt or innocense any more than your local police department does.    Just like any crime the accussed gets a trial and a jury.   

 

People who dont cheat on their taxes dont need to fear audits.   And for the life of me I dont understand how anyone can defend a dark money political pac skipping out on their legally owed taxes.

 

 

 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

No, I said that the moon is overrun with purple giraffes. Glad to see that your reading skills are as sharp as ever.

 

The vast majority of America"s fat cats are Republican...and so are the vast majority of tax cheats. So of course, they've been paying their employees in Congress to make sure they're not prosecuted.

 

That's what I'm saying.


"rich Republican tax cheats".........Kevin just hates rich people.  Well guess what?  Should have shot beyond teaching 3rd grade.  

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Are you talking about the IRS enforcing the law against political super-pacs that tried to disguise themselves as charities?  The only scandal from that tragic episode is FOX News and Republicans bullied the IRS into not enforcing the law.    And the "targeting of conservative pacs" was proven false.   The only group that ever actually got nailed (correctly) was a liberal pac.

 

Ther IRS doesnt determine guilt or innocense any more than your local police department does.    Just like any crime the accussed gets a trial and a jury.   

 

People who dont cheat on their taxes dont need to fear audits.   And for the life of me I dont understand how anyone can defend a dark money political pac skipping out on their legally owed taxes.

 

 

 


You forgot to mention that there were two undisclosed large settlement amounts from the Trump ( quick, scatter like quail!) DOJ for the groups that sued the IRS for targeted scrutiny and extended procedural ineptness( and hell yes, I'm aware that the IRS doesn't specifically determine guilt or innocence.,.but they're quite skilled in referring cases to the DOJ, right?). So, in the end, did the IRS overtly scrutinize / target these plaintiffs or not? You have to commit..one way or the other. I say they did, and that the final outcome was in ways just another "swept under the rug" action by our esteemed government. Maybe the Trump DOJ was gathering their own buffer mechanism for all his own future potential tax problems with their settlements? In general, the way all these guys and agencies operate is a debacle, as average Joe Americans would more often than not end up in jail.

C'est la vie.

Charles Higgins is channeling his inner Sarah Palin.

 

Remember when Sarah Palin complained about federal money going to study fruit flies? And when she also complained about funds for volcano research. Later that year, there were instances when volcano research may have saved lives. And it turns out that research on a whole host of drugs based on evolutionary science resulted from the study of...fruit flies. That's because their life spans are so short that it's possible to study evolutionary changes in real-time.  

 

Hey Charles, can you see Russia from your house?

Edited on Jan 11, 2023 1:53pm
Originally posted by: MisterPicture

Charles Higgins is channeling his inner Sarah Palin.

 

Remember when Sarah Palin complained about federal money going to study fruit flies? And when she also complained about funds for volcano research. Later that year, there were instances when that research may have saved lives. And it turns out that research on a whole host of drugs based on evolutionary science resulted from the study of...fruit flies. That's because their life spans are so short that it's possible to study evolutionary changes in real-time.  

 

Hey Charles, can you see Russia from your house?


Nope..all I can see are mesquite shrubbery and ocotillos. I don't think Russia has either of those( and if they do, I don't care one way or the other; and, frankly, I don't wanna see Russia from my house). Truthfully, I was waiting for someone to offer a comeback on the wasteful govt. funded research involving insects, mice, and other types of vermin ( including the investigators). It's why I offered in the OP that I just may not have the "visionary foresight" to justify these tax dollar expenditures. There's alternate, more direct / useful ways to spend them, imo. But Gregor Mendel would be proud to hear your reference to fruit flies...along with some other guy named Morgan, as I recall. I could be mistaken but, it has little to do with the price of turnips.

 

Sarah Palin was attractive..until she talked. That's not to say I  disagreed  with many of her core conservative stances; I would have just preferred that she presented things differently and I was always curious about her possible IQ (along with my own, assuming it exists at all). How much evolution can we stand? One thing is certain, there isn't much evolution here in the Sink; all genes here appear to be fixed.

That's OK.

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