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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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You forgot to mention that there were two undisclosed large settlement amounts from the Trump ( quick, scatter like quail!) DOJ for the groups that sued the IRS for targeted scrutiny and extended procedural ineptness( and hell yes, I'm aware that the IRS doesn't specifically determine guilt or innocence.,.but they're quite skilled in referring cases to the DOJ, right?). So, in the end, did the IRS overtly scrutinize / target these plaintiffs or not? You have to commit..one way or the other. I say they did, and that the final outcome was in ways just another "swept under the rug" action by our esteemed government. Maybe the Trump DOJ was gathering their own buffer mechanism for all his own future potential tax problems with their settlements? In general, the way all these guys and agencies operate is a debacle, as average Joe Americans would more often than not end up in jail.

C'est la vie.

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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So defund the police, then?

 

The IRS targeted tax criminals.   Karl Rove's Crossroads for AMerica is not a charity.   THey make televison ads for candidates they like and against canidates they dont like.  Period.   Liberal MoveOn.org does the same.  By law both are required to pay taxes.    But they dont.   

 

If connected people have different rules than unconnected people your country has a corruption problem.

 

 

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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You forgot to mention that there were two undisclosed large settlement amounts from the Trump ( quick, scatter like quail!) DOJ for the groups that sued the IRS for targeted scrutiny and extended procedural ineptness( and hell yes, I'm aware that the IRS doesn't specifically determine guilt or innocence.,.but they're quite skilled in referring cases to the DOJ, right?). So, in the end, did the IRS overtly scrutinize / target these plaintiffs or not? You have to commit..one way or the other. I say they did, and that the final outcome was in ways just another "swept under the rug" action by our esteemed government. Maybe the Trump DOJ was gathering their own buffer mechanism for all his own future potential tax problems with their settlements? In general, the way all these guys and agencies operate is a debacle, as average Joe Americans would more often than not end up in jail.

C'est la vie.

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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How much evidence do we need to present to confirm that there's a morass of corruption in our government and associated agencies? Both parties are included. I think enough has been layed out there already...for many years; and it appears to be steadily increasing. But that's just one and my opinion. Yet, I'm not ready to relocate to Russia..or Canada..or what used to be the Belgian Congo..or anywhere else. I'm keeping my eye on New Zealand, though.

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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If you are saying the way to deal with corruption in government is to defund law enforcement agencies then you are making the same exact argument the BLM protestors were making in the wake of George Floyd.

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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I'm not saying / advocating for anything remotely related to defunding the police. They need more support than they're receiving, in fact. You knew that would be my stance. So, make some different medicine.

 

Answer this. Do you think the level of corruption in our government ( including the law enforcement arms of it) is a non-factor and is nonexistent? If you're asking if corrupt law enforcement exists ( both on our city streets and those affiliated with govt agencies eg FBI, DOJ, DHS etc), the answer is of course it does.

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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I'm not saying / advocating for anything remotely related to defunding the police. They need more support than they're receiving, in fact. You knew that would be my stance. So, make some different medicine.

 

Answer this. Do you think the level of corruption in our government ( including the law enforcement arms of it) is a non-factor and is nonexistent? If you're asking if corrupt law enforcement exists ( both on our city streets and those affiliated with govt agencies eg FBI, DOJ, DHS etc), the answer is of course it does.

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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Sure - and it largely depends on who is in charge of those agencies.    But you can always point to people and incidents who were victims of that corruption - like George Floyd

 

Can you give me the name of an innocent person that was ever unfairly convicted of tax fraud they didnt actually commit?  I cant.   The only corruption in our tax code is the multitude of wealthy people who dont pay taxes.      

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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The George Floyd incident was just wrong. The involved officer/s are rightfully in prison( or will be shortly..I recall that the main guy involved was convicted, anyway)..the court/s got that right.

 

Re: your tax fraud question..no, I know of no cases where the innocent were wrongly convicted. Researching that wouldn't produce much fruit I'm sure..plus it's football season and I can't spare the time.

 

As I suggested previously, those who do file fraudulent returns should be prosecuted and punished accordingly. The more well-to-do are naturally going to more likely fall into the audit category than lower income people..so the IRS can hike their ROI for their cause / audits.

 

If you're subtly asking me with all this if the proposed huge increase in the number of IRS agents and expenditures in the recently passed Inflation Reduction Act is necessary, the answer is no. In my view , it's just more bloated government intrusion and expenditure. That shouldn't surprise you..that's just a standard conservative stance. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I or any other conservative thinks about this issue, because the Senate isn't going to pass the proposed agent/ IRS fund reduction bill proposed by the GOP House recently. So, we're going to all be under more IRS scrutiny via audits. The honest tax filers will only have to endure the added pain-in-the-ass time, effort, and real costs ( with their CPA's where applicable) to comply with said audits. More tax cheats will likely be caught, no doubt.That's the ultimate purpose of this IRS added funding, right? The honest people are being bulldozed yet again, imo. C'est la vie...again *l*.

 

I'd just ask that the IRS apply some of that increased funding to improve their own efficiency in customer services and processing times ( I know that likely won't happen if we consider history). Another shining governmental example of spending more to get the same or less, imo.

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Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

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Just a little addendum to coalesce all this IRS / tax increase/ tax expenditure ball of wax. When I and average taxpayers look at some of the examples of wasteful tax dollar spending, is it any wonder that much of the tax-paying population become irate every April ( sans filing extensions)? I'll just speak for myself..I certainly don't approve of it but..I pay em anyway.

 

Carry on..and ask for more divine intervention for the Cowboys next Monday night, por favor.

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