Price of a barrel of oil today: $109.60 Exactly eight years ago: $115.19

Well I just learned that my vehicle is a Chevy Bolt EUV LT. Obviously I'm not much of a car enthusiast.  Ours gets 247 miles of range. Others get much more. For what we paid , 247 range is really good and all we'll need. With the exception of using a parking garage charger, we'll almost certainly charge at home. We can get to Las Vegas and back on a full charge.Using 120 volt it will charge at 4 miles range per hour. That's why getting the level 2 charger insrtalled free is so sweet. The 220-240 volt level 2 charger will take about 7 hours to fully charge. The level 3 charger will take 1 1/2 hours to fully charge.

Here's the info for ours: https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/2022-bolt-euv-bolt-ev.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2021/feb/0214-boltev-bolteuv-specifications.html

Kevin, we've got a 2017 Ioniq blue and we get about 50 mpg. The 2022 is rated at 60 mpg. That will get you well over 600 miles on a full tank if you get 60 mpg. The 2017 battery is waranteed for life so we'll never part with it. It's been a great car for us and you can't beat the standard warranty.

I'm glad you're happy with your choice.   I've never been an early adopter.  I got my first Smartphone around the I-Phone 5 generation.      Likely it will be the same with EV's.   

 

Lots of hybrids right now that get you over 50mpg.    That will likely be my next purchase.     

I want the hybrid Maverick.


The problems with electric cars are


expensive - $60k avg price

 

shortage - not enough cars, due to parts shortage

 

batteries, dependent on China, can cost up to $10k to replace 

 

range- not enough charging stations, to accommodate the limited range

 

charging - to long to charge 

 

people who live in urban areas & park on the street can't charge their cars overnight. People who live in apt buildings & park in garages would have to rewire the garage to get outlets, assuming nobody steals the chargers.  Some buildings may have to retwire the entire building in order to handle the additional demand. 

electricity is expensive in areas like the northeast & is fueled by fossil fuels. 

There is a shortage of electricity in areas such as NY, which may experience brownouts this year. All these cars just add more stress to the system. 

Originally posted by: tom

The problems with electric cars are


expensive - $60k avg price

 

shortage - not enough cars, due to parts shortage

 

batteries, dependent on China, can cost up to $10k to replace 

 

range- not enough charging stations, to accommodate the limited range

 

charging - to long to charge 

 

people who live in urban areas & park on the street can't charge their cars overnight. People who live in apt buildings & park in garages would have to rewire the garage to get outlets, assuming nobody steals the chargers.  Some buildings may have to retwire the entire building in order to handle the additional demand. 

electricity is expensive in areas like the northeast & is fueled by fossil fuels. 

There is a shortage of electricity in areas such as NY, which may experience brownouts this year. All these cars just add more stress to the system. 


True, but I remember when computers were unaffordable for any but the largest corporations, not to mention that they needed to be placed in rooms with powerful air conditioners. Now you got one in your pocket.

 

Technological advances come at us real fast.

Originally posted by: tom

The problems with electric cars are


expensive - $60k avg price

 

shortage - not enough cars, due to parts shortage

 

batteries, dependent on China, can cost up to $10k to replace 

 

range- not enough charging stations, to accommodate the limited range

 

charging - to long to charge 

 

people who live in urban areas & park on the street can't charge their cars overnight. People who live in apt buildings & park in garages would have to rewire the garage to get outlets, assuming nobody steals the chargers.  Some buildings may have to retwire the entire building in order to handle the additional demand. 

electricity is expensive in areas like the northeast & is fueled by fossil fuels. 

There is a shortage of electricity in areas such as NY, which may experience brownouts this year. All these cars just add more stress to the system. 


I'll give you the price tag and range arguments....but compare that to EV's from 8 years ago.        

 

The cost of electricity used to fully charge a battery is roughly  $5 - or the cost of one gallon of gas at current prices.     Not even close to the same cost or use of carbon.   

 

Battery development (much like semiconductor chips) is being onshored as is all of the base mining associatted with it.    That a transition that is actively occurring and will continue to build jobs in North AMerica over the next 10 years.

 

And you can give a big "Way to go  Brandon" to Joe Biden whose infrastructure bill addresses most of your issues about the grid and charging.

Originally posted by: tom

The problems with electric cars are


expensive - $60k avg price

 

shortage - not enough cars, due to parts shortage

 

batteries, dependent on China, can cost up to $10k to replace 

 

range- not enough charging stations, to accommodate the limited range

 

charging - to long to charge 

 

people who live in urban areas & park on the street can't charge their cars overnight. People who live in apt buildings & park in garages would have to rewire the garage to get outlets, assuming nobody steals the chargers.  Some buildings may have to retwire the entire building in order to handle the additional demand. 

electricity is expensive in areas like the northeast & is fueled by fossil fuels. 

There is a shortage of electricity in areas such as NY, which may experience brownouts this year. All these cars just add more stress to the system. 


The Nissan Leaf, Mini Electric, and Chevy Bolt all have base prices under $32,000. A BMW i3 and a Tesla Model 3 have a base price of about $45,000. So "$60k avg price" is a gross exaggeration.

 

There's a shortage of new cars, period--so why is that a problem related to electric cars?

 

The batteries don't "depend on China"--the largest reserves are in Chile. Bolivia also has large deposits. The US has an estimated 4% of the world's reserves. And the average replacement cost is $6,000, and has been dropping for almost a decade.

 

The solution to "not enough charging stations" is...build more charging stations. Blue states are pushing ahead with that. Red states, slaves to the fossil fuel companies, are lagging behind.

 

New apartment complexes in Oregon are being outfitted with chargers that residents can use. There's no reason why any existing complex can't be similarly retrofitted. And as more municipal high-speed chargers become available, charging becomes easier. All public libraries in Oregon have charging stations now.

 

"Electricity is expensive." So is gasoline. In terms of energy output and utilization, an electric vehicle is 3 to 5 times more efficient than a gas-powered vehicle. So...NOT using electricity is even more expensive.

 

Whatever "electricity shortage" there supposedly exists will be localized. People who drive EVs can charge their vehicles during times of off-peak demand.

 

Electric cars are the future. Fossil fuels are the past. Similar arguments have been made against every technological innovation since the wheel. And they've been wrong every time.

We keep hearing that Biden is working 24/7 on the gas crisis but yesterday instead of meeting with the oil execs at the White House he chose to meet with wind people. 

Originally posted by: tom

We keep hearing that Biden is working 24/7 on the gas crisis but yesterday instead of meeting with the oil execs at the White House he chose to meet with wind people. 


HIs energy secretary met with the oil executives.  Thats kinda why presidents have secretaries and  cabinets.

And unlike his predecessor his secretary of energy actually understands the job description of that role.

 

 

 

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