Taliban tolerance

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I've read that ISIS-K thinks the Taliban is too moderate. Sort of like how Q-Anon thinks the Republican party is too soft on the liberals, etc.

 

ISIS and its bastard child, ISIS-K, never has had any interest in governance, other than driving around waving machine guns and forcing everyone to do their bidding. The Taliban realized that when it previously ruled Afghanistan, they were incompetent in civil governance and lost any support they might have obtained from the people. They've shifted to a more pragmatic approach. That makes them betrayers of the cause in ISIS's eyes.

 

ISIS-K is furious at the idea of the Taliban cooperating with the US. Analyses of the situation indicate that the bombing was counterproductive for them in that it made the US and the Taliban if not exactly allies, united in a common goal. Both wanted the evacuation to proceed smoothly.

 

The situation in the Middle East is chaotic, just as it has been ever since the Romans left. There are nuances and subtleties; nothing is black or white. To dismiss everyone there as terrorists a la David Miller is simplistic, inaccurate, and counterproductive--not to mention racist.

 

The info in the above first three paragraphs, I gleaned from the New York Times and the Washington Post. I can't provide links, as they're both behind a paywall (I subscribe online).


Thank you, Kevin.  That is pretty consistent with what I read just the other day.   

 

Candy

Conservatives have no problem with allowing the Afghans in. They just want proper vetting.

 

Sorry pj, many of the  Afghans who helped were not allowed to get to the airport. They have either joined the resistance or are trying to escape to a neighboring country with the assistance of the Americans veterans who worked with them. The Afghan who helped Biden is still there. 

Again - can one of our cnservatives please explain to me specifically what vetting needs to occur on the allies that have been helping our soldiers on the front lines for the last 20 years ?   And who have been vouched for by those very people?

 

"Vetting" is a nice ambiguos word the alt-right is using to rationalize their desire to keep Afghan allies out of the US.     They dont know what it entails or what the criteria is they would use to pass or fail someone.   Its just a nice beaurocratic word they use to rationalize doing nothing.   

 

The bone spur coward and his arm chair quarterbacks in the population  spent 20 years watching this endeavor on TV and now say the people who served on the front lines aren't worthy of being a US citizen.   On behalf of the  people who actually contributed and sacrificed on the front lines I gladly extend my middle finger.   Lets be glad the Klan isnt in charge of the immigration system anymore. 

Edited on Sep 4, 2021 5:10pm

President Trump and like, sane Americans may have been privy to the events of the last 20 years in Afghanistan, but so has the rest of the world. No one has said that the Afghans who have "served" during this time frame are not worthy of being relocated to America - but these same sane people know the importance of vetting. The mass, disorganized exodus from Afghanistan has already allowed over 23,000 "at risk" Afghans to arrive into the U.S., according to State Department spokesman Ned Price (as of 3 days ago). Does anyone know who these people really are and what affiliation they may have with the Taliban and ISIS? That is the question - doesn't every sane American want to know who their new neighbor really is? If the withdrawl had of taken place in an orderly, well thought of manner, the vetting would have allowed the U.S. to find out which Afghans  have ties with the terrorists. But all of the world knows that this did not occur and the U.S. has no way to know just who has entered the U.S. We know who is in charge of our immigration system, just look at what has occured the last 8 months at our own southern border as an example. Brain dead Biden and his likewise brain dead administration have set the U.S. up for future terrorist actions here in America. What PJ doesn't comprehend is that not ALL of the Afghans who have arrived in America were part of the "allies" that have been "helping" our solders the past 20 years. Vetting of each refugee would determine their status and affiliation- and this was NOT done. The overall content of PJ's latest posting is nothing more than a lying liberal spewing his twisted own personal view of reality. 

Edited on Sep 4, 2021 8:41pm

For the record, I have never ascribed that EVERYONE in the Middle East is a terrorist - as Kevin says that I do. Please provide the posts that I have made that suggest otherwise. If Kevin can not provide such proof, then I demand he retract that statement and issue an apology - we all know that Kevin has no proof and that he is not man enough to retract his lying statement. I also know he will not issue an apology - liars never do.

Originally posted by: David Miller

For the record, I have never ascribed that EVERYONE in the Middle East is a terrorist - as Kevin says that I do. Please provide the posts that I have made that suggest otherwise. If Kevin can not provide such proof, then I demand he retract that statement and issue an apology - we all know that Kevin has no proof and that he is not man enough to retract his lying statement. I also know he will not issue an apology - liars never do.


You described Afghan refugees as "Muslim terrorists." You've made similar disparaging references dozens, if not hundreds of times in the past. In your simplistic racist reptile brain, all Muslims are terrorists.

 

You call everyone a liar, over and over and over, and you never apologize. So shut your pie-hole. Also...you aren't entitled to demand jack diddly from me or anyone else---not until you start acting like a sane adult; right now, you're neither. In fact, if a convicted serial killer demanded a glass of water from me, I might give it to him--but if it was you, I'd pour it on the ground.

 

So demand away, until you pop like an overripe zit.

Pj - the vetting is to make sure the refugee is who they say they are & are not terrorists. 

Originally posted by: tom

Pj - the vetting is to make sure the refugee is who they say they are & are not terrorists. 


And what does that entail, exactly?   Can you explain besides using a phrase you dont understand?

 

Their two decade service of the country....and their recomendation for a Visa from our soldiers is what I would call "vetted"..    But apparently you have some other criteria that should be met.    What is that exactly?    Can you please explain to us State Department novices?

And PS -  the claim that Afghans are being unvetted is ruled bullshit by fact checkers.   And I'm sure that will be met with Liberal Boogeymen in the media or something.

 

Fact Check: Afghan refugees are vetted and alr-right detractors are constipated 

Vetting, for those who are having difficulties with comprehension --Examples vetted -  verified or checked for accuracy, authenticity, suitability, etc.: The process ensures professionally vetted and approved content. Refugees selected by the U.S. government for resettlement are the most thoroughly vetted people to come to the United States.

Edited on Sep 4, 2021 8:39pm
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