This is the 14th Amendment the PJ and other Libs argue applies to abortion

People, I have listened to Libs tell us that abortion is covered within this amendment.  Only a revisionist judge who is comfortable legislating from the bench could find a way to justify this.  I've urged PJ, who sighted this amenedment as justification to Roe v Wade to post the most powerful words within this amendment to justify this legislation, and not shocking, ZERO reponse.

 

Frankly, I have mixed feelings about abortion, but have very strong feelings about America following the Constitution.  If you Libs are strong enough to pass a legitiment amendment on abortion, do so.  In the meantime, the Constitution says that this issue should be handled at the state level.

 

This is the entire text.

 

Transcript AMENDMENT XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

We've all read it, long ago, and if this is the first time you've read it, well, all I can say is, that accounts for many of your bizarre, evil, and unAmerican beliefs.

 

And the worst part of that is...the 14th Amendment says that issues of personal freedom should NOT be "handled at the state level," because the states CANNOT take those freedoms away! In other words, you have it exactly backwards!

 

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

 

Read that three times if you have to.

 

And fucking learn to spell!

Will Kevin now tell us where within the Constitution that abortion is anywhere addressed..................even by a stretch.  Do I have the personal freedom to kill you?  Some believe that I do, but I disagree.

Edited on May 11, 2022 3:59pm
Originally posted by: Boilerman

Will Kevin now tell us where within the Constitution that abortion is anywhere addressed..................even by a stretch.  Do I have the personal freedom to kill you?  Some believe that I do, but I disagree.


No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

If the government forces you to have your rapist's baby against your will, it is depriving you of your liberty. 

 

 


Boilerman cant live in a the real world with real facts.   Roe was not my opinion.  It was not "Libs" opinion.   It was a bipartisan 7:2 vote with both Liberals and Conservatives agreeing.    Then a sepertate group of justices of both liberals and conservatives reaffirmed Roe with the same reasoning in Casey vs Planned Parenthood in 1992 including 3 Republican appointed judges.

 

Boilerman can not reconcile this very basic fact of the bipartisan history of abortion opinion.

 

And I know Boilerman pretends he is internet illiterate whenever he cant defend his bullshit - but I'll happily point him to Wikipedia to see the CLiff Notes on either the Roe or Casey decisions and the opinion of that bi-partisan panel of judges that were not bought and paid for by a sewer rat activist group that Boilerman openly supports.

 

The key components to their non-activist, non-sewer rat, uncorrupted, bipartsian opinion are in Section 1 of the 14th Ammendment which I have already stated multiple times....and Boilerman says he cant understand.   Cause he cant read the ENglish language or something.

 

In short - their opinion (not mine) - Medical Decisons surrounding any individuals body is an inherant liberty that may not be impeded by the government without due process of law.  See section 1 of your ammendment above.      And strangely enough this concept is easily grasped by mouthbreathing MAGA types when it comes to mandating COVID vaccines...just not abortion.    I cant help them with that hypocrisy

 

Thanks for stopping by !

Oh - and please understand - I'm not the least bit interested in changing Boilerman's mind on this issue.    If Republicans think this is a winner for them politically then by all means take that football and run for the endzone.    Good luck with that.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Will Kevin now tell us where within the Constitution that abortion is anywhere addressed..................even by a stretch.  Do I have the personal freedom to kill you?  Some believe that I do, but I disagree.


I've told you three times, PJ and Mark have also told you multiple times, and your pretending-to-be-even-more-ignorant-than-you-actually-are shtick is wearing kind of thin.

 

The writers of the 14th Amendment didn't list every possible way in which persons could be deprived of their lives, liberty, or property. It would be stupid in the extreme to expect that they could. It would also be ridiculous to think that ways in which that could happen wouldn't be continually and unexpectedly occurring. That's why the language of the Amendment is all-encompassing.

 

Does a given action/law deprive a person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law? If so, then it's unconstitutional. Abortion bans do precisely that. Therefore, they're unconstitutional.

 

Period.

 

I could easily name over 100 instances of freedoms protected by the 14th Amendment, the exercise of which wasn't even dreamt of by its authors. Nonetheless, those protections still apply. It's idiotic to say that any specific freedom that isn't mentioned by the 14th Amendment doesn't exist.

 

Perhaps Boiler is befuddled by the concept of "states' rights," where the Constitution says that rights that aren't specifically enumerated in the Constitution belong to the states, confusing it with the concept that the states can't override the 14th Amendment---as the rights listed there ARE specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

 

Boiler is stupid to start with, and isn't doing himself any favors by pretending to be even more stupid.

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Oh - and please understand - I'm not the least bit interested in changing Boilerman's mind on this issue.    If Republicans think this is a winner for them politically then by all means take that football and run for the endzone.    Good luck with that.


Oh yeah. I really really hope they go full-blown Handmaid's Tale on this one. I hope they prosecute women who get abortions for murder. I hope they open up a mandatory National Pregnancy Registry. I hope some hayseed sues a woman he knocked up for aborting "his" baby. I hope they arrest doctors and nurses who work in abortion clinics. I hope that they abduct women who've been raped and chain them to hospital beds until they give birth.

 

Then the country will be split in two, as the sane people flee from the Trumper states and the bucktoothed redneck yahoo MAGA morons who remain can form their own fascist theocracy, the way Gawd intended.

 

It'll be Boiler heaven, especially after open season is declared on brown people.

You guys certainly latched onto the word "stretch" quite agressively.  Since you've offered nothing but a crazy stretch to what the 14 Amendment words mean, it's obvious that you Libs are very confortable with judges legislating from the bench.

 

But we already knew that.  No surprises here.

 

The multi-generatonal court judges that set up 50 years of precedent weren't bought and paid for by a scumbag,  activist group.   Thats what it took to get judges to agree with Boilerman.

 

Boiler, can the government force you to get chemotherapy if you get cancer?  If you say "no" then you are making the same Constituional argument as the Roe judges.

Edited on May 12, 2022 5:19am
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