Today's topic for sardonic debate.. birthright citizenship?

Brent, If a kid is born in this country and is a citizen for 18 years he or she has every right to vote and it is ridiculous to call it outside interference. They are American citizens and have the same rights as you do to vote. 

There are no changes that they can make via Congress to eliminate or create exceptions to birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment. 

The argument team Trump made about saying we don't have jurisdiction over immigrants so they don't get birthright citizenship is laughable.

 

If we don't have jurisdiction over foreign guests and immigrants then they can never be deported and are immune from any criminal prosecution because the US courts don't have jurisdiction over them. 

 

 

Edited on Apr 2, 2026 6:37am

It's pretty stupid to think a 9 month pregnant foreigner could enter the USA and poop out a kid who immediately becomes a US citizen.  But we'll have to let SCOTUS determine how our laws work.  If you support that kind of nonsense, why have a border; but I don't need to ask a liberal that, they have no regard for sovereignty and hate America.

 

CBP will deny in most cases, but many just sneak in anyway.  https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en_US

Edited on Apr 2, 2026 6:58am
Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya

It's pretty stupid to think a 9 month pregnant foreigner could enter the USA and poop out a kid who immediately becomes a US citizen.  But we'll have to let SCOTUS determine how our laws work.  If you support that kind of nonsense, why have a border; but I don't need to ask a liberal that, they have no regard for sovereignty and hate America.

 

CBP will deny in most cases, but many just sneak in anyway.  https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en_US


Doesn't matter who supports it or doesn't support it as that is what the Constitution requires. 

 

Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya

It's pretty stupid to think a 9 month pregnant foreigner could enter the USA and poop out a kid who immediately becomes a US citizen.  But we'll have to let SCOTUS determine how our laws work.  If you support that kind of nonsense, why have a border; but I don't need to ask a liberal that, they have no regard for sovereignty and hate America.

 

CBP will deny in most cases, but many just sneak in anyway.  https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en_US


You can have an intelligent discussion about the legal immigration process.    But lets be clear - there was no "legal immigration process" for the first 150 years our country existed.     The first century gave citizenship to anyone who could make it over in a boat.     When the industrial revolution started 12 million people came through Ellis Island with the only requirement being  they didnt have the plague. 

 

If you want to change that dynamic now because of modern demographics and/or national security - then fine.    Have that debate and go through the proper legislative channels to implement it.   

 

But the Constitution and our History is not some "liberal"  fabrication.      People who ignore and stiff arm the Constituion hate AMerica.    Especially when its based on their fear of people who dont look and worship like they do.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's a stupid lie. Most nations DO have birthright citizenship, including almost every country in the Americas. You're full of shit, Miller.


 Here are the facts (from Google) -- (I was wrong), check out the last part about the nations that do not have "birthright citizenship") -- (1) -- Approximately 30 to 35 countries, primarily in the Americas, offer unrestricted birthright citizenship (jus soli), granting citizenship to almost anyone born within their territory, regardless of parentage. Key countries include Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and most of Central/South America --(2) --Key Countries with Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship Americas: Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela. Other: Pakistan (with exceptions), Chad, Lesotho, Tanzania, Tuvalu, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, Barbados.9#) --(2) ---   The vast majority of nations with these laws are in the Americas, making the U.S. and Canada the only "developed" countries with this policy. Unrestricted Jus Soli: Unlike some European or Asian nations that require at least one parent to be a citizen or permanent resident, these countries grant citizenship automatically based on birthplace. Not a Global Standard: While about 30 countries have this law, it is not common worldwide, with no countries in Europe or East Asia offering similar unconditional citizenship.

I thought "conservatives" wanted to conserve the Constitution!?!?!  Turns out, they just want to manipulate it to achieve some short term policy goal.  Disappointing, but  not really surprising.  

Originally posted by: Dealer1

I thought "conservatives" wanted to conserve the Constitution!?!?!  Turns out, they just want to manipulate it to achieve some short term policy goal.  Disappointing, but  not really surprising.  


 Conservatives want fo common sense to be the standard for laws. 

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Conservatives want fo common sense to be the standard for laws. 


 That is not what the Constitution says. 

Originally posted by: Mark

 That is not what the Constitution says. 


   Common sense is the backbone of the Constitution.

Originally posted by: David Miller

   Common sense is the backbone of the Constitution.


No, it is not. Our rights and the blueprint of our system of government is the backbone of the Constitution.

 

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