tRump criminal indictment released.

Originally posted by: David Miller

     Yes to both of your questions. Once again the DemocRats have utilized another moronic diversionary tactic in order to deflect from their America ruining agenda and Biden's traitorous actions.These swamp creatures are corrupt and thick as thieves. Look at where America is today compared to when brain dead Biden took office. All this latest bullshit indictment has done is expose these criminals for the slimy creatures that they are - and has fortified the resolve of sane, honest Americans to rid America of these traitors. Anyone supporting and voting for any DemocRat is delusional and completly oblivious to what these traitors have done and continue to do to America. People better take a good, hard look at reality and quit buying into the lies that DemocRats feed Americans every day. God help us.


This is what David calls "an honest and sane discussion." L O fucking L!

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

No. What I inferred and made pretty clear was the fact that the DC Dem bureaucracy of the last decade ( and specifically under the auspices of the current administration) haven't exhibited equal pursuit  of  other Democratic characters (and agencies) that should have been more thoroughly investigated / potentially prosecuted in a more timely manner vs that exhibited for Trump. There is factual evidence that the FBI and DOJ , in particular, have engaged in these unequal pursuits and protections. It'd be nice if one of you liberals would just admit that in light of the irrefutable evidence. It won't matter because denial won't change the fact that it happened and continues to happen. In your own words above.." all human beings have the same fundamental rights"; that applies to Trump, as well. If he's proven guilty at trial, then he's guilty..end of story. I don't think the sum total pursuits and/or protections ( vs let's say that seen for Hillary Clinton) have been equal.

 

We continue to circle the rosebush..to no avail. Yeah,well...

 

 

 

 


I don't see how anything a Democratic individual has been accused of AND THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING remotely approaches the EVIDENCE-SUPPORTED crimes of Trump--and I'd truly love to hear from you why Hillary's sending emails (and deleting them--OOOOOOO!) or Hunter's radioactive laptop are even remotely equivalent. My take on the FBI/DOJ's less zealous pursuit of H & H as opposed to their "persecution" of the noble Orange God is that the latter's crimes are far more serious and, more to the point, FAR MORE REAL.

 

Duh.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

David...I have a ton of frailties, including a stubborn nature, which I routinely pay for in some form or fashion.

 

Let me ask you..do you think Trump will survive this indictment and ensuing trial? Will he be the eventual nominee?


The 75 million are still out there and will vote in the primaries, and it won't matter if and how many times he's been indicted, because one power the defendant always has is delay, delay, delay, and Trump would be nuts to allow any kind of resolution before Election Day, let alone before the primaries.

 

As to whether he survives THIS indictment, the answer is certainly "Yes," because he hit the jackpot and got assigned a very Trumpy "judge." (I am very suspicious that she was assigned randomly from a pool of judges, as the prevailing narrative claims.) She has the power to toss the entire indictment out, and if things go any way other than extremely favorably for the Turd, she'll do exactly that. Payback, after all, is due.

 

If this goes to trial AND this judge winds up presiding, Trump will definitely skate, as this judge repeatedly beats the prosecution over the head. If the case is heard by a jury, only one out of twelve jurors will have to be one of the 75 million for an acquittal.

 

What do you think? Given all these obstacles to a just and rational outcome, do you think there's any real chance that the Turd is hauled away in chains?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The 75 million are still out there and will vote in the primaries, and it won't matter if and how many times he's been indicted, because one power the defendant always has is delay, delay, delay, and Trump would be nuts to allow any kind of resolution before Election Day, let alone before the primaries.

 

As to whether he survives THIS indictment, the answer is certainly "Yes," because he hit the jackpot and got assigned a very Trumpy "judge." (I am very suspicious that she was assigned randomly from a pool of judges, as the prevailing narrative claims.) She has the power to toss the entire indictment out, and if things go any way other than extremely favorably for the Turd, she'll do exactly that. Payback, after all, is due.

 

If this goes to trial AND this judge winds up presiding, Trump will definitely skate, as this judge repeatedly beats the prosecution over the head. If the case is heard by a jury, only one out of twelve jurors will have to be one of the 75 million for an acquittal.

 

What do you think? Given all these obstacles to a just and rational outcome, do you think there's any real chance that the Turd is hauled away in chains?


I just don't know. I don't know how much influence the current assigned judge will have in terms of real effect on the outcome.  And I certainly don't know what the potential jury will conclude. Further, I don't know how many of the allegations will stand up  ( or be thrown out) in court. If I had a gun to my head and was forced to analyze, I'd say he gets off , even it's via some unknown plea agreement after a guilty verdict. I just don't know, ultimately, because I'm unaware of the  veracity surrounding all the allegations ( excluding that audiotape..which is a huge hurdle for him).


As to whether he survives THIS indictment, the answer is certainly "Yes," because he hit the jackpot and got assigned a very Trumpy "judge." (I am very suspicious that she was assigned randomly from a pool of judges, as the prevailing narrative claims.) She has the power to toss the entire indictment out, and if things go any way other than extremely favorably for the Turd, she'll do exactly that. Payback, after all, is due.

 

If this goes to trial AND this judge winds up presiding, Trump will skate, as this judge repeatedly beats the prosecution over the head. If the case is heard by a jury, only one out of twelve jurors will have to be one of the 75 million for an acquittal.

 

 

I can't say I agree with this analysis. Sure, she could toss the entire thing out and she would be promptly overruled by the 11th circuit.  She would literally be laughed out of the appellate court like she was the last time. When the 11th Circuit overruled her before she was given a dressing down by a conservative judge because she was so far in the Tank for Trump. It was obvious her legal reasoning was far outside the mainstream even from the perspective of another conservative judge. 

 

Furthermore, the special counsel can use that dressing-down and deeply flawed legal reasoning as the basis for requesting her removal from the case and would likely get her removed.  Bottom line she screwed herself by interfering in a case she had no business interfering in. If she would have stayed out of that, she could have subtly helped Trump in this case. So it is a good thing she already showed her hand. 

 

It's highly unlikely that any jury would render a verdict of 37-0 in favor of the defense.  A jury's hands are more tied than you think. They can only determine questions of fact, not law and basically the facts on some of these charges simply can't be disputed. Remember Jack Smith only has to win one of the 37 to send Trump to prison for 10 to 20 years. 

Originally posted by: Mark

As to whether he survives THIS indictment, the answer is certainly "Yes," because he hit the jackpot and got assigned a very Trumpy "judge." (I am very suspicious that she was assigned randomly from a pool of judges, as the prevailing narrative claims.) She has the power to toss the entire indictment out, and if things go any way other than extremely favorably for the Turd, she'll do exactly that. Payback, after all, is due.

 

If this goes to trial AND this judge winds up presiding, Trump will skate, as this judge repeatedly beats the prosecution over the head. If the case is heard by a jury, only one out of twelve jurors will have to be one of the 75 million for an acquittal.

 

 

I can't say I agree with this analysis. Sure, she could toss the entire thing out and she would be promptly overruled by the 11th circuit.  She would literally be laughed out of the appellate court like she was the last time. When the 11th Circuit overruled her before she was given a dressing down by a conservative judge because she was so far in the Tank for Trump. It was obvious her legal reasoning was far outside the mainstream even from the perspective of another conservative judge. 

 

Furthermore, the special counsel can use that dressing-down and deeply flawed legal reasoning as the basis for requesting her removal from the case and would likely get her removed.  Bottom line she screwed herself by interfering in a case she had no business interfering in. If she would have stayed out of that, she could have subtly helped Trump in this case. So it is a good thing she already showed her hand. 

 

It's highly unlikely that any jury would render a verdict of 37-0 in favor of the defense.  A jury's hands are more tied than you think. They can only determine questions of fact, not law and basically the facts on some of these charges simply can't be disputed. Remember Jack Smith only has to win one of the 37 to send Trump to prison for 10 to 20 years. 


The only trouble is, so much of this stuff is unprecedented, because no past or current President has ever tried to pull this before. Trump's lawyers' only defense is to bring up questions of executive privilege and discretion in handling and declassifying documents--because as you say, there's no real question of fact here. They can't argue "He didn't really do it liberal witch hunt belch grunt snort." Disgustingly, their primary tactic will have to be what Trump has said all along: "I can do whatever I want, I'm the President."

 

I agree that the judge could get overruled if she tries to repay Trump again by tossing the case. However, there are a lot of ways that could blow up. Since she's obviously in deep collusion with the Trump legal team, this could be the "nuclear option" that would be deployed if it looks like Trump is losing early on. Would it stick? Maybe a 20 or 25 percent chance.

 

By the way, who do you think got paid, and how much, to get this judge assigned to the case?

 

I disagree with you on the jury. One MAGA is all it would take, and you can bet your booty that during voir dire, the defense will attempt to plant as many of them as possible in the jury. Yeah, the MAGA(s) couldn't force an acquittal, but they could create a hung jury.

 

In fact, that's what I consider the most likely outcome: a hung jury, and a plea deal of some kind that keeps the Turd out of prison.

If you're indicted on 37 felony counts, it isn't necessary for every shred of evidence to be factual, is it?

 

That is an amazing statement; even for kevin.  Now evidence doesn't have to be factual?  kevin would do well in a communist country

 

I don't see how anything a Democratic individual has been accused of AND THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING remotely approaches the EVIDENCE

 

Biden had classified documents in an unsecure office in Philly.  He had an open box of documents in an open garage.  He has been accused of accepting bribes but the FBI won't release the evidence or even investigate.

 

The hunter laptop has evidence of possible illegal payouts from the Ukraine & China but the FBI won't investigate.

 

The biden family has 12 shell companies but don't have any businesses.

 

hillary had a unsecure phone, an unsecure server in her bathroom & 30,000 missing mails; all of this is illegal.

 

Sandy berger stole classified documents by hiding them in his pants.

 

The biased FBI, DOJ & State Dept did nothing.

Edited on Jun 11, 2023 1:40pm
Originally posted by: tom

If you're indicted on 37 felony counts, it isn't necessary for every shred of evidence to be factual, is it?

 

That is an amazing statement; even for kevin.  Now evidence doesn't have to be factual?  kevin would do well in a communist country

 

I don't see how anything a Democratic individual has been accused of AND THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING remotely approaches the EVIDENCE

 

Biden had classified documents in an unsecure office in Philly.  He had an open box of documents in an open garage.  He has been accused of accepting bribes but the FBI won't release the evidence or even investigate.

 

The hunter laptop has evidence of possible illegal payouts from the Ukraine & China but the FBI won't investigate.

 

The biden family has 12 shell companies but don't have any businesses.

 

hillary had a unsecure phone, an unsecure server in her bathroom & 30,000 missing mails; all of this is illegal.

 

Sandy berger stole classified documents by hiding them in his pants.

 

The biased FBI, DOJ & State Dept did nothing.


 I find it amazing that the idiot liberals who post their moronic stupidity here never have anything to say about the people you have posted here. Apparently they are blind to anything that has to do with Biden, Biden's family, Hillary and Berger. 

Originally posted by: tom

If you're indicted on 37 felony counts, it isn't necessary for every shred of evidence to be factual, is it?

 

That is an amazing statement; even for kevin.  Now evidence doesn't have to be factual?  kevin would do well in a communist country

 

I don't see how anything a Democratic individual has been accused of AND THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING remotely approaches the EVIDENCE

 

Biden had classified documents in an unsecure office in Philly.  He had an open box of documents in an open garage.  He has been accused of accepting bribes but the FBI won't release the evidence or even investigate.

 

The hunter laptop has evidence of possible illegal payouts from the Ukraine & China but the FBI won't investigate.

 

The biden family has 12 shell companies but don't have any businesses.

 

hillary had a unsecure phone, an unsecure server in her bathroom & 30,000 missing mails; all of this is illegal.

 

Sandy berger stole classified documents by hiding them in his pants.

 

The biased FBI, DOJ & State Dept did nothing.


This isn't about Biden, or anyone else except Donald J. Trump, stupid.

 

And I said that it wasn't necessary for EVERY piece of evidence to be factual to secure a conviction, stupid. That's an idiotic attempt to twist my words, even for you, stupid.

 

Why are you making excuses for a criminal, stupid?

 

Stupid Tommie-poo.

 

 

Originally posted by: David Miller

 I find it amazing that the idiot liberals who post their moronic stupidity here never have anything to say about the people you have posted here. Apparently they are blind to anything that has to do with Biden, Biden's family, Hillary and Berger. 


"But what about HIM? Huh? HUH?????" isn't a valid defense to a criminal charge.

 

Stupid Davey Dog.

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