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"Of the 32,000 people who received the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in a research trial, do you want to guess how many contracted a severe Covid case? One."
New York Times
100 - (1 / 32000) = 99.99996875% chance of no serious disease.
Please clarify your point. Are you mocking the NYT piece or the data?
Candy
I don't think he's doing either. I think he's pointing out that the 90% or 95% or whatever effectiveness rates have been reported refer to getting infected at all, whereas the actual percentage of developing Covid--with symptoms and all--may be much less than 1%.
In other words, the vaccines may not be a 100% effective shield against infection, but they could be almost that effective against getting infected enough to make you sick. If the body has its response to the virus ready and waiting, it'll lower the severity as well as the incidence of infection. Some of the enemy might slip through--but it'll be captured and killed eventually.
It really is a fantastic job that the drug companies have done. Now, all we need to do is set up a national coordinated distribution network. Only two more days!!!!!
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Please clarify your point. Are you mocking the NYT piece or the data?
Candy
Not at all! It's genuinely great news.
The 99.9999% chance is probably slightly overstated because the average trial participant is probably younger, healthier, and more responsible than the average American. But it's still great.
Yes, about nothing is 100%. I'm impressed so far. The government's plan to immunize healthcare workers first makes absolute sense, and can't fault prioritizing nursing home patients. But it appears they didn't anticipate some snags that are affecting (delaying) the rest of us old folks getting the vaccine. The big snag might be contracting with the two big pharmacies, CVS and Walgreens, for those two singular purposes (healthcare workers and nursing home residents) and leaving out our local pharmacy supply to get it to us, including Walgreens and CVS. The influenza vaccine push is on, signage and advertising and begging everyone to get that one, as usual (I'm always one of the first in line), so why not the Covid? Answer: they apparently planned for those two singular purposes without putting the rest of us in the equation in terms of production and distribution of the vaccine any time soon. And holding the booster doses to be sure they were available, which in a way made sense but so many could be getting their first dose (some 50-60+% protection) while the boosters are being cranked out.
I'm sure this all hit pharmacy folks in the face in terms of storage and distribution and prioritizing and training of personnel, how to deal with patients in NHs resisting the vaccine (staff made efforts to contact NOKs to try to talk their loved one into taking it, which caused delays, etc. etc.).
Ah, and so it goes. I have hopes of getting mine on February 26th as scheduled, though it depends on the supply, which is the big problem, supply.
Candy
Originally posted by: MisterPicture
Not at all! It's genuinely great news.
The 99.9999% chance is probably slightly overstated because the average trial participant is probably younger, healthier, and more responsible than the average American. But it's still great.
Thanks. I think your title made me suspicious...LOL. Glad you are on board with it! It is an amazing thing.
Candy
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Yes, about nothing is 100%. I'm impressed so far. The government's plan to immunize healthcare workers first makes absolute sense, and can't fault prioritizing nursing home patients. But it appears they didn't anticipate some snags that are affecting (delaying) the rest of us old folks getting the vaccine. The big snag might be contracting with the two big pharmacies, CVS and Walgreens, for those two singular purposes (healthcare workers and nursing home residents) and leaving out our local pharmacy supply to get it to us, including Walgreens and CVS. The influenza vaccine push is on, signage and advertising and begging everyone to get that one, as usual (I'm always one of the first in line), so why not the Covid? Answer: they apparently planned for those two singular purposes without putting the rest of us in the equation in terms of production and distribution of the vaccine any time soon. And holding the booster doses to be sure they were available, which in a way made sense but so many could be getting their first dose (some 50-60+% protection) while the boosters are being cranked out.
I'm sure this all hit pharmacy folks in the face in terms of storage and distribution and prioritizing and training of personnel, how to deal with patients in NHs resisting the vaccine (staff made efforts to contact NOKs to try to talk their loved one into taking it, which caused delays, etc. etc.).
Ah, and so it goes. I have hopes of getting mine on February 26th as scheduled, though it depends on the supply, which is the big problem, supply.
Candy
The way to get reluctant patients to accept the vaccine is to bash them over the head and inject them while they're still out. When they come to, have them sign an affidavit saying they refused the vaccine.
Another possibility would work for only about half the population, but we could spread the "news" that a side effect of the vaccine is rock-hard erections that last for hours. I'm sure if we got that onto Fox News, millions of people would believe it. Maybe for women--the vaccine reverses boob-sagging? Just a thought. There are unlimited persuasive possibilities, unconstrained by facts.
Suddenly, the Trump vaccine is wonderful. I find this interesting. I'll bet that Liberals won't understand the irony.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
The way to get reluctant patients to accept the vaccine is to bash them over the head and inject them while they're still out. When they come to, have them sign an affidavit saying they refused the vaccine.
Another possibility would work for only about half the population, but we could spread the "news" that a side effect of the vaccine is rock-hard erections that last for hours. I'm sure if we got that onto Fox News, millions of people would believe it. Maybe for women--the vaccine reverses boob-sagging? Just a thought. There are unlimited persuasive possibilities, unconstrained by facts.
A coupon for a free face lift would work for the ladies.
However...4 hours, Kevin? A lot of wives would be organizing a protest. LOL
Candy
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Suddenly, the Trump vaccine is wonderful. I find this interesting. I'll bet that Liberals won't understand the irony.
The "Trump vaccine" was actually developed early last year when Trump was saying it was going to go away like a miracle. Everything since then has been testing - by the pharmaceutical companies, and the rollout - which has been botched in every way.
So there are now two people who have an especially bad understanding of the word irony: Boilerman and Alanis Morissette.
