The vaccines are essentially 100% effective against SERIOUS disease.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Suddenly, the Trump vaccine is wonderful.  I find this interesting.  I'll bet that Liberals won't understand the irony.


Learn to spell "liberals." No capitalization.

 

Trump impeded the development and distribution of the vaccines at every step. We would all be vaccinated by now if someone else had been President. Even now, Trump is botching the distribution of the vaccine. Operation Warped Idiot has failed in its distribution goals by 80%.

 

It shouldn't be called the Trump vaccine because not only did he have nothing whatsoever to do with its development, he actively got in the way. (Remember his muzzling of the CDC, for example?) The Trump virus unnecessarily killed tens of thousands while Trump was jerking off on the golf course and screaming about the election.

 

And just so you know--the pandemic has nothing to do with politics. Neither does criticism of Trump. He's an incompetent asshole, and would be one if he called himself a liberal or a conservative, Democrat or Republican. His criminally irresponsible and treasonous actions and failures transcend politics. Only you want to see is as a liberal vs. conservative issue. A liberal Trump would have failed just as badly.

Another GREAT thing about the vaccines is that once they are fully available, we don't need to worry about the disgraceful anti-vaxxers anymore when it comes to Covid.  With the much less effective influenza vaccines, we needed a lot of people to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. With Pfizer and Moderna, there's no need for that.

 

So the anti-vaxxers will simply have a much, much higher sickness and death rate without harming us rational types.

 

And Darwin is smiling.

Edited on Jan 18, 2021 6:35pm
Originally posted by: Boilerman

Suddenly, the Trump vaccine is wonderful.  I find this interesting.  I'll bet that Liberals won't understand the irony.


The Pfizer vaccine, what you call the "Trump vaccine," was developed in Germany, without one dollar of research and development money from Trump and/or the United States.  In fact, the BioNTech owners  (who have partnered with Pfizer) began by getting the genotype off of the internet when China posted it, and when Trump was saying "we have fifteen cases going to zero," "it's just the flu," "it will disappear like a miracle."  I'm glad the BioNTech people understood more that Trump--but, of course, who doesn't?

It's odious and stupid to give Trump any credit for the vaccine(s). He is, in fact, to blame for all the delays. Commander in Chief. Duty. Responsibility.

 

Trump: "I don't take any responsibility at all." That is how history will remember this piece of shit.


Bio about the 1917-18 pandemic on Smithsonian channel, including Dr. Barry who wrote a book about it,  It sickened and killed a lot of people, then it 'magically' disappeared.  Nobody knows why.  Then it ROARED back ("second phase) and rapidly killed millions all over the world including the US.  President Woodrow Wilson said not a word, listened to his advisors who said "send more men on the [packed] troop ships so you go down in history as having won the Big War.  He did.  Instead of addressing the scourge.   Philadelphia, among others, ignored the warnings of the few virus scientists to at least socially distance, had a super spreader parade for the War effort.  People also died of starvation, so much fear that neighbors wouldn't go near another house to bring food and the ones who stayed in were too scared to go out for food.  Get the book.

 

The author had started out writing a book about WWI, but kept getting into the 1918 influenza pandemic, and eventually switched course to that pandemic.  Years of research into it, what/how it came about.

 

Candy

Originally posted by: Dealer1

The Pfizer vaccine, what you call the "Trump vaccine," was developed in Germany, without one dollar of research and development money from Trump and/or the United States.  In fact, the BioNTech owners  (who have partnered with Pfizer) began by getting the genotype off of the internet when China posted it, and when Trump was saying "we have fifteen cases going to zero," "it's just the flu," "it will disappear like a miracle."  I'm glad the BioNTech people understood more that Trump--but, of course, who doesn't?


I called it the "Trump vaccine" because so many Liberals told the world that they would not take the "Trump vaccine".  Some of you have very short memories.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I called it the "Trump vaccine" because so many Liberals told the world that they would not take the "Trump vaccine".  Some of you have very short memories.


Really? Name names Boilerman. I imagine you won't. After all, you're the guy who criticizes the media without having the guts to tell us which news source you believe in.

 

I guess for some people, their testicles never decend.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I called it the "Trump vaccine" because so many Liberals told the world that they would not take the "Trump vaccine".  Some of you have very short memories.


There are no "Liberals" in the world. There are "liberals." English lesson: I cannot eat a Banana, because no such thing exists. I can, however, eat a banana. Get it?

 

"So many" liberals said that? Such as? How many? Direct quotes?

 

Or did you just pull that statement out of your Trump?

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Bio about the 1917-18 pandemic on Smithsonian channel, including Dr. Barry who wrote a book about it,  It sickened and killed a lot of people, then it 'magically' disappeared.  Nobody knows why.  Then it ROARED back ("second phase) and rapidly killed millions all over the world including the US.  President Woodrow Wilson said not a word, listened to his advisors who said "send more men on the [packed] troop ships so you go down in history as having won the Big War.  He did.  Instead of addressing the scourge.   Philadelphia, among others, ignored the warnings of the few virus scientists to at least socially distance, had a super spreader parade for the War effort.  People also died of starvation, so much fear that neighbors wouldn't go near another house to bring food and the ones who stayed in were too scared to go out for food.  Get the book.

 

The author had started out writing a book about WWI, but kept getting into the 1918 influenza pandemic, and eventually switched course to that pandemic.  Years of research into it, what/how it came about.

 

Candy


I saw a very interesting documentary on PBS about that period; I think it was called "The American Experience." The most interesting takeaway was that until late 1916, the American public was unilaterally, thoroughly opposed to getting involved in the European war. Then big business interests started to perceive potential profit from a long war (which presumably, wouldn't touch US home soil); the US government saw it as a potential chance to seize colonies and build up the military; and wealthy industrialists started clamoring to get involved. The sinking of the Lusitania was a provident trigger for the war hawks.

 

The following propaganda campaign was impressive. This was the beginning of the age of mass media. Newspapers and radio (in its infancy), the same outlets that had only recently broadcast their full-throated opposition to the war, now pounded the war drums. The government subsidized propaganda efforts (such as paying the writer of "Over There" a handsome sum to disseminate sheet music). People who continued to demonstrate against involvement in the war were surprised to find themselves arrested and charged with sedition. Troop recruitment efforts drew millions. In much less than a year's time, the US flipped from isolationism and denouncement of the war to "patriotic" belligerence. Notably, no real concrete reason was ever given to enter the war---Wilson's speech asking Congress to declare war was full of orotund generalities and half-truths. Nevertheless, war was declared, with very little dissent.

 

So, fast forward to 1918. The Germans realized that if the US got enough troops into France, they were essentially doomed, so they launched a desperate preemptive attack. Unfortunately for them, it failed; enough US troops had arrived to tip the balance. I think the decisive battle was called Bellau Wood.

 

The German attack had the effect, though, of speeding up efforts to ship more troops across the Atlantic. Thise who warned about the dangers of doing so were silenced, removed from government positions, and in many cases, prosecuted. It was painted as unpatriotic to even mention how dangerous the Spanish Flu was and how social distancing and quarantining were absolutely necessary. President Wilson deliberately suppressed data showing how bad the pandemic really was, because it would be bad for "national morale." And lots of people died.

 

Does any of the above sound familiar?

Re: US Entry Into WW I.

 

The generally accepted cause for the US entry into WW I involved the German policy of unrestricted submarine warfare sending US merchant and passenger ships to the ocean floor.  The Germans apparently were also influencial in inciting Mexico to enter the war as an ally.

Ref: US Enters World War I 

 

Nonetheless, the War was a significant cause of spreading the Flu.

Ref: 1918 Spanish Flu Links to World War I

 

Edited on Jan 19, 2021 5:58pm
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