Voter ID

Originally posted by: Roger S

I have to agree, if you can't get a form of ID, how can you function in the United States? Weak argument by Kevin


Voting is a right. You have that right automatically by being an adult citizen.

 

It can indeed be difficult to function without an ID, but why should not having an ID deprive anyone of the right to vote?

 

SIGNATURES, conservitards. For the first century and a half of our country's existence, people didn't carry identification. Ballots, and other legal documents, were validated by SIGNATURES. That still works today.

Originally posted by: michael

Funny how anyone that wins a handpay magically has an ID, to get their money.  Sorry guys it is a no brainer, you must have an ID to vote, get in a bar, go on an airplane, etc.......


Being paid a jackpot is not a right. Getting into a bar is not a right. Boarding an airplane is not a right.

 

Voting is.

 

Are you people that stupid?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Voting is a right. You have that right automatically by being an adult citizen.

 

It can indeed be difficult to function without an ID, but why should not having an ID deprive anyone of the right to vote?

 

SIGNATURES, conservitards. For the first century and a half of our country's existence, people didn't carry identification. Ballots, and other legal documents, were validated by SIGNATURES. That still works today.


Is every signature verified? How much easier would it be if someone is who they say they are by showing their ID? Why use such an antiquated system to verify someone? Show your ID. It's easy, for a progressive you sure are resistant to such a better way.

Originally posted by: Roger S

Is every signature verified? How much easier would it be if someone is who they say they are by showing their ID? Why use such an antiquated system to verify someone? Show your ID. It's easy, for a progressive you sure are resistant to such a better way.


For that matter, IDs can be faked. But yes, EVERY signature is verified and matched with the voter registration document(s) on file. In every election, thousands of ballots are disqualified because the signatures don't match. So a person could only cast a fraudulent vote by accurately forging someone else's signature. Even then, if that person whose signature is being forged has already voted, the forged ballot will be thrown out. It isn't easy at all to cast a credible forged ballot.

 

None of you clowns has yet answered the simple question of why someone would cast a fraudulent vote. Doing so would involve the simultaneous commission of five--count 'em, five--felonies. Do you really advocate taking away people's voting rights in order to prevent something that almost never happens? What was it in 2020--sixteen fraudulent ballots out of over 150 million?

 

The cost of requiring ID to vote is damage to some people's voting rights. Therefore, there has to be a compelling rationale to do so. I don't see any such rationale, aside from all the specious claims of so-called widespread voter fraud. And I don't care if it affects only a few people. Taking a fundamental democratic right away from even ONE person is a heinous crime.

 

Remember, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if not for the Orange Pusbag's proclamation that any election he lost would be ipso facto fraudulent. Do you still believe that? Are you still licking him?


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

For that matter, IDs can be faked. But yes, EVERY signature is verified and matched with the voter registration document(s) on file. In every election, thousands of ballots are disqualified because the signatures don't match. So a person could only cast a fraudulent vote by accurately forging someone else's signature. Even then, if that person whose signature is being forged has already voted, the forged ballot will be thrown out. It isn't easy at all to cast a credible forged ballot.

 

None of you clowns has yet answered the simple question of why someone would cast a fraudulent vote. Doing so would involve the simultaneous commission of five--count 'em, five--felonies. Do you really advocate taking away people's voting rights in order to prevent something that almost never happens? What was it in 2020--sixteen fraudulent ballots out of over 150 million?

 

The cost of requiring ID to vote is damage to some people's voting rights. Therefore, there has to be a compelling rationale to do so. I don't see any such rationale, aside from all the specious claims of so-called widespread voter fraud. And I don't care if it affects only a few people. Taking a fundamental democratic right away from even ONE person is a heinous crime.

 

Remember, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if not for the Orange Pusbag's proclamation that any election he lost would be ipso facto fraudulent. Do you still believe that? Are you still licking him?


Why would you put words in my mouth and say I believe the last election was fraudulent? I never said anything like that. 

 With all of Biden's failures so far, voting rights are the last thing he should be concentrating on, how about getting inflation and covid under control, you know, the things that average Americans care about.

 This whole voting rights issue is just a smoke screen to cover his failed leadership. This country has lost faith in his ability to lead. As reflected in his negative poll numbers.

Originally posted by: Roger S

Why would you put words in my mouth and say I believe the last election was fraudulent? I never said anything like that. 

 With all of Biden's failures so far, voting rights are the last thing he should be concentrating on, how about getting inflation and covid under control, you know, the things that average Americans care about.

 This whole voting rights issue is just a smoke screen to cover his failed leadership. This country has lost faith in his ability to lead. As reflected in his negative poll numbers.


Oh, so you're not in the gang? Fine: please indicate whether you agree or disagree with the following statement: "I do not subscribe to the widespread lie touted by my ideological buddies, the Republican Party, that the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent and that Donald Trump actually won the election."

 

Voting rights are so fundamental and vital, it's hard to justify putting them anywhere but on the front burner. Remember, this is in response to the nationwide RepubliQ voter suppression efforts.

 

As far as "controlling inflation" is concerned, there's not all that much Biden can do:

 

1. The President of the United States does not tell private companies what to charge for their goods and services.

2. The President of the United States does not dictate fiscal policy.'

3. Inflation is a global phenomenon, and since the US is only 5% of the world's economy, whatever the US may or may not do on its own wouldn't influence inflation very much.

4. Much of the current inflation is due to supply chain issues, the vast majority of which are occurring outside the US. Biden has no control over those problems.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Oh, so you're not in the gang? Fine: please indicate whether you agree or disagree with the following statement: "I do not subscribe to the widespread lie touted by my ideological buddies, the Republican Party, that the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent and that Donald Trump actually won the election."

 

Voting rights are so fundamental and vital, it's hard to justify putting them anywhere but on the front burner. Remember, this is in response to the nationwide RepubliQ voter suppression efforts.

 

As far as "controlling inflation" is concerned, there's not all that much Biden can do:

 

1. The President of the United States does not tell private companies what to charge for their goods and services.

2. The President of the United States does not dictate fiscal policy.'

3. Inflation is a global phenomenon, and since the US is only 5% of the world's economy, whatever the US may or may not do on its own wouldn't influence inflation very much.

4. Much of the current inflation is due to supply chain issues, the vast majority of which are occurring outside the US. Biden has no control over those problems.


Although there are some members of the replubican party that may subscribe to the election being fraudulent, as a whole, I don't believe it's part of their platform. So I don't believe in your loaded statement. 

Originally posted by: Roger S

Although there are some members of the replubican party that may subscribe to the election being fraudulent, as a whole, I don't believe it's part of their platform. So I don't believe in your loaded statement. 


T'ain't "some." It's "most." Look at the percentage of House RepubliQ who refused to certify the election. Look at any of a large number of recent polls where self-identified Republicans were asked if they believed that Trump actually won the election.

 

I know it sounds like something only a stupid asshole would believe, but the RepubliQ party is an ideological haven for such people.

 

I'll take you at your word that you don't buy the lie.

Y'know, Tommie-poo, I looked at this thread, and I counted over a dozen posts where that very thing was explained to you

 

With some effort all of the documents can be obtained.  All of the arguments against voter id consist of complaining the difficulty in getting documents; laziness is not an excuse.

Originally posted by: Tom

Y'know, Tommie-poo, I looked at this thread, and I counted over a dozen posts where that very thing was explained to you

 

With some effort all of the documents can be obtained.  All of the arguments against voter id consist of complaining the difficulty in getting documents; laziness is not an excuse.


Yeah, that's the type of jerkass moron you are. People who can't do something you say is easy are "lazy"--when the reality is that you're too stupid to understand the circumstances of people who aren't like you.

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