Voter ID

Best I can tell, this is the argument that Libs are making.

1.  Democrat voters are too stupid to accurately identify themselves.

2.  GOP voters are smart enough to identify themselves accurately.

3.  Since Democrats are stupid, no identification should be required when voting.  Doing so is voter supression.

Best I can tell, BOilerman subscribes to the QaNon conspiracy theory that voter-id laws are needed to stop dead people and illegal immigrants from voting.    Just dont ask him for any proof.   You'll get the same answer as this guy.

Boiler makes one of his stupidest arguments yet. And that's really saying something.

As far as which side is actually more stupid--it's well known that Republicans are less educated than Democrats, and the sad fact that they almost all voted for Trump shows that they're much more stupid as well. Like Boiler: DAWWWWWK, I DONE VOTED FOR MAH HERO TRUMP!

Republican turnout would be much higher if it wasn't for all those Republican voters who are too stupid to read a map or follow directions and wind up at the city dump instead of their local polling station.

It's not about how much fraud has actually occurred.  That's like saying we don't need to address the structural flaws in this bridge because it's never collapsed before.  It's about systems that are susceptible to fraud.  That's just common sense.   That's why most of the world requires voter ID.  That's why 80% of Americans support requiring an ID to vote.  I guess the vast majority of Americans are all conspiracy theorists now. But wait a minute.  If most everyone supports voter ID doesn't that make the 20% the fringe?

And if democrats feel it's too difficult for many of their members to get a picture ID then I suggest you get off your ass and go help your party brethren get their picture ID.  It can improve their lives in many more ways than voting.  I guess it's just easier being a keyboard warrior and slandering 80% of your fellow Americans as horn wearing insurrectionists than to actually get out in the community and help your fellow democrats.

Charles, your argument would hold at least some water (though not much) if 1. there weren't already robust ballot verification measures in place AND 2. there was evidence of significant voter fraud. #2 not happening proves that #1 works.

The RepubliQ in fifteen states have changed the definition of what valid picture ID is. So suddenly, thousands of people who could vote last year can't now. Why is that something good?

So it's not really a discussion about voter ID. It's about voter suppression. Shouldn't we make it as easy as possible for all citizens to vote? Don't we want as many people as possible to vote in our elections? I know, no, we don't--not if we're Republicans.

The only excuse for making it more onerous--EVEN SLIGHTLY, EVEN FOR A VERY FEW PEOPLE--is the myth about "massive voter fraud." Which has never happened.

So I can only assume that you bought Trump's lie that he didn't really lose the election, because millions of Americans cast fraudulent votes. I mean, WTF---who but a complete idiot actually believes that?

I wanted to address the ridiculous nature of your first argument. How "susceptible to fraud" is the system, actually? Voters have to be registered. Their signatures have to be on file. Those signatures have to be matched with the signatures on their ballots. And in most states, mail-in ballots have a unique identifying barcode.

Why would anyone cast a fraudulent vote? Why would they simultaneously commit FIVE felonies by doing so? What would they have to gain?

You don't have to take additional drastic measures to prevent something, the likelihood of which is vanishingly small. But let's drop the stupid myth that this bullshit has anything to do with "election integrity" or the risk of "massive voter fraud." That's just the excuse. The sole motive for the RepubliQ's voter suppression efforts is to get their asses elected to the greatest extent possible.

It's only 4 resident idiots here Charles thankfully.  The rest of us agree with you and Tom.  Good summary Tom.  

So PJ's argument is that people who don't identify themselves as legal voters should be able to vote.  OK, I understand.  Please explain why this isn't a stupid argument.

Voter fraud is very difficult to prove. Give false name, and false address, how do you track that person down? Don't we all want easy to vote and hard to cheat?

Because you cant show how that results in corrupted elections wrought with fraud.  After 10 years of you giving us a goose egg one might think thats embarrassing for you by now.

Over 10 million legal US adults who are Constitutionally allowed to vote in this country do not have the ID requirements as mandated by many states.    Getting that ID is not free.   A new birth certificate, for example, will run you about 75-100 dollars depending on your state.   Believe it or not that is a heavy finance for some people - disproportionately for people who vote Democrat.   If you ask Republicans if making voter ID a free endeavor they say no.      Because they want it to be inaccessable from those voters.

ANd thats the math.    Republicans endorse disenfranchising over 10 million AMericans in order to confront the single digit examples of fraud they can point to.      And they'll tell you those single digit examples of fraud are more mathematically significant than the 10 million people they stiff armed out of the election.

Math doesn't lie.   But Sleazeball Republicans who are too cowardly to let the majority speak at election time do.

Have a great day !