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John Boehner infamously told 60 minutes in 2010 that he despised the word "compromise"....and that has been the official position of the Republican party since Obama was elected.

 

Obama gave Republicans 50/50 representation on both the healthcare committees and stimulus plan to exit the 2008 finanical crisis.    Hillary's campaign was "better together" which was a promise to work with Republicans.   Biden already passed laws bipartisanly....and just gave a speech this week saying he wants to work with people on the other side.

 

When is the last time you heard a Big-Name Republican say he/she wants to work and compromise with people on the left?    There is no appetite for it in their base.    ANd thats a big problem for them going forward because I think America has made it clear they are sick of the FOX NEws temper tantrum - they want things to get done and they want problems to be addressed and they want people to work together

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

John Boehner infamously told 60 minutes in 2010 that he despised the word "compromise"....and that has been the official position of the Republican party since Obama was elected.

 

Obama gave Republicans 50/50 representation on both the healthcare committees and stimulus plan to exit the 2008 finanical crisis.    Hillary's campaign was "better together" which was a promise to work with Republicans.   Biden already passed laws bipartisanly....and just gave a speech this week saying he wants to work with people on the other side.

 

When is the last time you heard a Big-Name Republican say he/she wants to work and compromise with people on the left?    There is no appetite for it in their base.    ANd thats a big problem for them going forward because I think America has made it clear they are sick of the FOX NEws temper tantrum - they want things to get done and they want problems to be addressed and they want people to work together

 


I, too, would like them to accomplish things and find a way to compromise / get along. Another thing I'd like to see them do is stay off TV news channels ( as if that would ever be possible). It is what it is.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

What makes you think that only Republicans feed at the political contribution trough and are the lone 'servant of giant corporations' ? Both parties and their candidates receive funds from any source they can conceivably dip their analogous dirty hands and feet in. Your statement is wrong and just not true, including the suggestion that only one party ( yours) has the voters best interests at heart. There's enough historical and recent proof demonstrating that both parties and their respective candidates largely care only about capturing and maintaining power.There's a limited few decent reps on both sides, but most politicians are inherently narcissistic and should just list that personality trait on their resumes.

 

You might want to study the facts in more depth. Here's a site that might add  to your factual education level. It's nonpartisan (to my knowledge) and they 'follow the money'. Your buddy ( I assume) George Soros is on the list.

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors


I'd like to point out to you that Democrats have consistently done things that are actually politically unpopular with not only Republicans (of course) but also the voters of their own party. As an obvious recent example: compare the Democratic and Republican responses to covid. Lockdowns, masking, and vax restrictions weren't popular anywhere. But Democrats focused on keeping people as safe as possible, even over strenuous objections, while Republicans pandered to the base by doing nothing and in many cases, actively spouting conspiracy theories and un-science. So the Democrats choose public welfare over political expediency. The Republicans are willing to kill people for votes (not that stupid people don't deserve to die, but what about people who were genuinely worried about covid but had to go out in public among all the happy mouth-breathing anti-vaxxers?).

 

Republicans cut corporate tax rates in half, which created a giant deficit, while having bleated nonstop about the deficit whenever Democrats were in charge. Fucking hypocrites. Even you, Charles, can easily determine whom the Republican party serves. It ain't the people.

 

And I doubt I need to explain to you how the Democrats have historically been the party of social welfare (SOOOOOOCIALISM!!!), while the Republicans have been the party of lots of shiny fighter planes, Da Wall, and corporate tax breaks. Which approach benefits people more? Obama brought us universal health care. The Republicans fought him bitterly all the way. Which side was doing more for the people?

 

I looked at your widdle website. Aside from its obvious conservative bias, and the stupidity of having an oxymoron as its name ("open secrets"???), it overlooked one rather critical detail (in whatever point it was trying to make). Their list was only of individual donors (and OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD GEORGE SOROS GEORGE SOROS GEORGE SOROS EEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!). Corporate donations to Republicans dwarf those made to Democrats.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

I, too, would like them to accomplish things and find a way to compromise / get along. Another thing I'd like to see them do is stay off TV news channels ( as if that would ever be possible). It is what it is.


Except during election times, they do stay off the TV for the most part--it's expensive. So we'll probably get a breather.

 

I don't think we're going to see the needle budge on compromise. The Republicans have made it abundantly clear that they have no appetite for it and in fact, consider any inclination toward it to be a sign of weakness and maybe even treason toward the party. And I'm not using hyperbole here--many prominent Republicans, including Mitch McConnell, have said exactly that.

 

And really, will there be any compromise when everything the Democrats want to accomplish is portrayed by the Republicans as "part of their radical right-wing agenda" (the worst thing in the world is to have an agenda!) and "Socialism! SOCIALISM! SOOOOOOOOOCIALISM!!!!!?


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I'd like to point out to you that Democrats have consistently done things that are actually politically unpopular with not only Republicans (of course) but also the voters of their own party. As an obvious recent example: compare the Democratic and Republican responses to covid. Lockdowns, masking, and vax restrictions weren't popular anywhere. But Democrats focused on keeping people as safe as possible, even over strenuous objections, while Republicans pandered to the base by doing nothing and in many cases, actively spouting conspiracy theories and un-science. So the Democrats choose public welfare over political expediency. The Republicans are willing to kill people for votes (not that stupid people don't deserve to die, but what about people who were genuinely worried about covid but had to go out in public among all the happy mouth-breathing anti-vaxxers?).

 

Republicans cut corporate tax rates in half, which created a giant deficit, while having bleated nonstop about the deficit whenever Democrats were in charge. Fucking hypocrites. Even you, Charles, can easily determine whom the Republican party serves. It ain't the people.

 

And I doubt I need to explain to you how the Democrats have historically been the party of social welfare (SOOOOOOCIALISM!!!), while the Republicans have been the party of lots of shiny fighter planes, Da Wall, and corporate tax breaks. Which approach benefits people more? Obama brought us universal health care. The Republicans fought him bitterly all the way. Which side was doing more for the people?

 

I looked at your widdle website. Aside from its obvious conservative bias, and the stupidity of having an oxymoron as its name ("open secrets"???), it overlooked one rather critical detail (in whatever point it was trying to make). Their list was only of individual donors (and OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD GEORGE SOROS GEORGE SOROS GEORGE SOROS EEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!). Corporate donations to Republicans dwarf those made to Democrats.


I was fully aware that the linked info pertained to individual donors when I posted it..that's true. My main point was your manipulative suggestion that the D's were bereft of campaign contributions from corporate / individual /any sources was just wrong and indicative of your true lack of knowledge on the subject; further your suggestion that only D's are concerned about the daily lives of the populace is also mythical. I bluntly disagree.

 

The website I linked to was conservatively biased? It provided a damned ranked list ...and was completely unbiased on its face. You need more proof of the comparative party campaign contributions? Below is another linked source from our own federal government bureaucacy ; you won't have any problem labeling it as unbiased, will you? Surely not. Don't suggest to me that all parties don't solicit / obtain both corporate and individual campaign funds ( including all the clean, dirty, and dark money varieties)..and don't think those obtained funds don't effect candidacy outcomes. The DNC and RNC campaign machines both pour money into a bottomless abyss for these elections depending on their perceived impact for power retention. There'll be a test on Tuesday..take good notes. And brush your teeth.

 

https://www.fec.gov/updates/statistical-summary-of-18-month-campaign-activity-of-the-2021-2022-election-cycle/ 

 

 

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

I was fully aware that the linked info pertained to individual donors when I posted it..that's true. My main point was your manipulative suggestion that the D's were bereft of campaign contributions from corporate / individual /any sources was just wrong and indicative of your true lack of knowledge on the subject; further your suggestion that only D's are concerned about the daily lives of the populace is also mythical. I bluntly disagree.

 

The website I linked to was conservatively biased? It provided a damned ranked list ...and was completely unbiased on its face. You need more proof of the comparative party campaign contributions? Below is another linked source from our own federal government bureaucacy ; you won't have any problem labeling it as unbiased, will you? Surely not. Don't suggest to me that all parties don't solicit / obtain both corporate and individual campaign funds ( including all the clean, dirty, and dark money varieties)..and don't think those obtained funds don't effect candidacy outcomes. The DNC and RNC campaign machines both pour money into a bottomless abyss for these elections depending on their perceived impact for power retention. There'll be a test on Tuesday..take good notes. And brush your teeth.

 

https://www.fec.gov/updates/statistical-summary-of-18-month-campaign-activity-of-the-2021-2022-election-cycle/ 

 

 


Giant corporations sent billions to Republicans. Those Republicans, when elected, repaid those corporations with $2 trillion in tax breaks (in 2018).

 

I guess that in Boilerman's absence, you decided to do a Boiler by "accusing" me of saying something I never said and then arguing against it. I never said that Democrats didn't receive campaign contributions. I said that CORPORATE donations were much larger to Republicans. And yes, that definitely includes money--lots and lots of money--that is never recorded or reported.

 

I hasten to add that this is in accordance with Republican orthodoxy. I'm quite sure that your gang sincerely believes that the shortest path to America's well-being is to make big business as bigly and business-y as possible. And if the lower classes suffer as a consequence? Well, yay social Darwinism. The inferiors shouldn't be allowed to reproduce (let alone VOTE!), so for God's sake don't send them $100 a month so they can buy food for ummm...a week.

 

 

Don't assign blame to Boiler for my mistakes..they're mine. And don't deny you insinuated that R's get all the giant corporation money..because you did. That was my point..that what you insinuated was not factuaL. Have fun.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Don't assign blame to Boiler for my mistakes..they're mine. And don't deny you insinuated that R's get all the giant corporation money..because you did. That was my point..that what you insinuated was not factuaL. Have fun.


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