Fuck you, David 😃
Fuck you, David 😃
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Fuck you, David 😃
Apparently "Liz" Lewis did not like my reply to his question --First of all, why are you breaking your vow not to talk/respond to my posts ( except to cuss me out)? As to your question -(1) Charles is obviously one who actually thinks , (2) he is not a foul mouthed, hateful person, (3) his postings deserve the respect he gives others, whether he agrees with their views, or not. (4) You are an entirely different story, as I have alluded to many times over with you filthy name calling, insults, obvious ignorance, and hateful demeaner. One deserves what they sow.
David's right. It was a bonus "Fuck you" I gave him, more than he's normally entitled to.
Originally posted by: David Miller
Charles, a question - maybe you have already answered in previous posts and, if so, I missed it. You say that you won't vote for President Trump again because of his actions surrounding the Jan 6 situation - would you elaborate as to what the actions were? I am not trying to put you into a corner or start something - I honestly would like to know. I wish the forum had a way to communicate privately with one another because others will feel they have the right to critique any and everything posted here, and we all know what happens when they do. If you don't want to, I understand. Please consider my request. Thanks.
@David..Sure.The reasons are based on the fact that I didn't approve of his handling of the people within his inner circle ( that even included some family members and , in particular Mike Pence) with regard to his inability to accept the election outcome. Many confidants within that inner circle attempted to convince him of the true outcome of the election..to no avail. Further, his public stance on the matter was just in some orbit surrounding Pluto; he couldn't accept that he failed to win. Subsequent court cases verified the state and federal electoral process and outcome. Biden's victory was / is just a fact ..one I didn't like, btw.
There were many fiscal issues that I thought he was on the correct side of..along with the bolstering of our military readiness. I thought he made some decisions that were in line with old-fashioned and corny conservative principles ..which is why I did vote for him twice. Yet, I couldn't abide his behavior surrounding the Jan. 6 situation...it's like he was a child that dropped his favorite lollipop from his crib, imo. It indicated a damaged character to me..which all the left leaning participants in this forum would say that I should have been aware of before I checked his name in the ballot box..twice. It would never be because I agreed with several of his policy stances..that's just not enough for them. The thing is, they don't pay my bills nor run my life. That sufficient?
Thanks for your reply. I agree that he did not want to accept the result of the election, as do I. His reaction can/may be classified as childish. In lieu of what he had accomplished and what he predicted would happen if the Democrats won ( which he has been found to be correct) I can understand his reaction. Why, you may ask? Donald Trump loves America. He had spoken loud and long for years as to what was wrong and spent 4 years trying to correct these wrongs. In my opinion he did a great job.When the pandemic came, his every action was criticized unfairly and unmercifully by the media and Democrats while he did everything he could to get America thru it. As I said,( and there are numerous videos to confirm what I am saying), he knew and predidcted what the Democrats were going to do. Today we Americans are living with an administration that has increased the national debt by trillions, opened up the southern border to mass illegal immigration, drugs and human degradation, removed America from being energy independant, and put America into a pre recession mode caused by the highest inflation seen in decades- all of which was predicted by President Trump. Of the two scenarios, I can live with a man who had a fit after knowing just what was going to happen versus a man who has put America where we find ourselves today. I agree he "treated" Pence wrongly and refused to accept the election and showed his ass. But I believe he did it out of frustration - not his greatest moment. If his reaction on the election and Jan 6 is the worst that he can be judged by, in lieu of all the good he did for America, well, I don't think that they compare. Thanks for your reply. I hope that whoever is elected in 2024 will bring America back to the great nation it had become during the 4 years he was President.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
It indicates that you have a heightened fear response and are consequently resistant to change. That could have been exacerbated by your background/upbringing. It's a fundamentally flawed way of looking at the world, and in particular doesn't mesh with modern society, but it's not like you're alone in your ideology.
Re the Orange Pusbag: it was evident from the day he threw his hat in the ring that this man is a crass asshole and not remotely fit for public office. That should have overridden any considerations of ideology or party affiliation. If you voted for him, you sold your soul, and I'm sure you had some wonderful-sounding justification for it--all Trumpers do.And in case you're wondering, if he had decided to put on a Democrat hat and run for President, I would have voted Repuublican.
And as I'm sure you're at least sort of aware, Trump is no more a Republican than he is a Martian. It's just the gang he calculated would be better for him to join. That's why the ideological fealty excuse rings so hollow. Trump actually shat on everything the Republican party allegedly stood for.
So I'm afraid I really can't respect anyone who observed this piece of shit's behavior and voted for him anyway--especially the second time. A craving for novelty or a desire to shake up the status quo might sort of excuse the first.
So why are you a conservative Trumper? Your brain is abnormal (albeit with a quite common condition) and you are an extremely poor judge of character. And denouncing the insurrection doesn't score you any points--any decent American should do that, it's like denouncing the Holocaust.
(Which makes it truly horrifying that so many people actually support it, but that's another issue.)
Kevin...I'm resistant to change, absolutely..despite my own awareness that change is unavoidably inevitable. Your argument on this 'change' issue somewhat assumes that all change is good..it isn't from where I stand. You assign that my aversion to change is due to some sort of fear foundation..and that apparently my particular fear level is "heightened". Excuse me..I just need to suck my thumb and cower a little bit. I'll be right back.
I know you despise Trump..and all he stands for. That's exercising your liberty and I've no problem with it. Just keep in mind that one of the reasons you and some of your colleagues in here actually despise Trump are based on his ideological positions on policy..his stances on the issues..beyond his moral, behavioral, and nuerological status. Throw in those latter considerations and it's easy to understand why you and your side want to pour syrup on him and toss him onto an ant hill..in the desert sun. Don't excoriate me for holding basic core adherence to conservative principles that I was foundationally raised with and lived by my entire life..you don't have the power nor insight to alter that and ultimately are wasting your time with that approach. You can shout that I'm wrong about those stances if worded properly ..and we'll get along just peachy; I'll tolerate and encourage your opinion if presented in some reasonable tone. I'm not asking for your respect..just that we allow each other to make our own decisions and form our own opinions based on personal experiences and life-long principles without being unbendingly accused of assholery.
You referred to me as a "conservative" Trumper..another attempt at blanket categorization of my position. I'm indeed conservative but I thought I made clear in the above and previous posts that I'm done with him. So, again, it's the basic policy stances that you ultimately disagree with, isn't it? That transcends your moral opinion of him doesn't it? You use him as a stepladder to ascend above the crowd in order to voice your opposition to issues and platforms you disagree with. The fact is all members with any conservative stances are the real and ultimate target for you and your colleagues in here...they are blatantly labeled as sub-human via multiple and sometimes nasty descriptors. Somebody has a lot of fun verbally crippling their opponents in here. I don't get it.
You've contributed positively in this forum in other areas related to Vegas travel, gambling, and other tenets. I've seen it..observed it..learned things I was unaware of by reading some of your input/s here. Referring to all conservatives and their opinions here in the Sink as originating from a misguided fucktard orientation with vulgar descriptors...those kind of responses detract from some of the positive and useful info you do share. In the end, you make your own choices and actions..you have the liberty to do so as far as I'm concerned.
Until the next 'debate'..Cheers.
Originally posted by: Charles Higgins
@David..Sure.The reasons are based on the fact that I didn't approve of his handling of the people within his inner circle ( that even included some family members and , in particular Mike Pence) with regard to his inability to accept the election outcome. Many confidants within that inner circle attempted to convince him of the true outcome of the election..to no avail. Further, his public stance on the matter was just in some orbit surrounding Pluto; he couldn't accept that he failed to win. Subsequent court cases verified the state and federal electoral process and outcome. Biden's victory was / is just a fact ..one I didn't like, btw.
There were many fiscal issues that I thought he was on the correct side of..along with the bolstering of our military readiness. I thought he made some decisions that were in line with old-fashioned and corny conservative principles ..which is why I did vote for him twice. Yet, I couldn't abide his behavior surrounding the Jan. 6 situation...it's like he was a child that dropped his favorite lollipop from his crib, imo. It indicated a damaged character to me..which all the left leaning participants in this forum would say that I should have been aware of before I checked his name in the ballot box..twice. It would never be because I agreed with several of his policy stances..that's just not enough for them. The thing is, they don't pay my bills nor run my life. That sufficient?
Perhaps for you, a person's character is irrelevant as long as he espouses the right policies. That was certainly true for the 75 million, who observed the Pusbag's character and voted for him anyway. And yes, some subset of that bunch voted for him because of his character--*shudder*.
As the President doesn't directly shape policy and is just one part of the process, I think of him/her as more setting the tone than driving the boat (mixed metaphor, I know). So I care most about whether he's a good man.
And Trump is, most unequivocally, not a good man. With my moral compass, that disqualifies him, and it still would even if I agreed with his policies. Your moral compass is obviously differently aligned.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Perhaps for you, a person's character is irrelevant as long as he espouses the right policies. That was certainly true for the 75 million, who observed the Pusbag's character and voted for him anyway. And yes, some subset of that bunch voted for him because of his character--*shudder*.
As the President doesn't directly shape policy and is just one part of the process, I think of him/her as more setting the tone than driving the boat (mixed metaphor, I know). So I care most about whether he's a good man.
And Trump is, most unequivocally, not a good man. With my moral compass, that disqualifies him, and it still would even if I agreed with his policies. Your moral compass is obviously differently aligned.
I see, by your standards, your hatred of one man and his purported character and morality, is justification to see 350+ million people suffer, and I do mean suffer, under the policies of a traitoruos DemocRatic administration. You can deny the truth about what has transpired to America the last 20 months - but reality proves you wrong on a daily basis. I know of no one leader ever that was a perfect person. Great leaders are judged, and have been judged throughout history, by what they accomplished. President Trump will get my and millions of other Americans votes if he runs for president again - if there is an America left by then.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Perhaps for you, a person's character is irrelevant as long as he espouses the right policies. That was certainly true for the 75 million, who observed the Pusbag's character and voted for him anyway. And yes, some subset of that bunch voted for him because of his character--*shudder*.
As the President doesn't directly shape policy and is just one part of the process, I think of him/her as more setting the tone than driving the boat (mixed metaphor, I know). So I care most about whether he's a good man.
And Trump is, most unequivocally, not a good man. With my moral compass, that disqualifies him, and it still would even if I agreed with his policies. Your moral compass is obviously differently aligned.
@Kevin...So now, in addition to living under a heightened fear mindset, I'm also morally misaligned. You can't possibly know / judge my moral standing or outlook..beyond your derogatory labeling based solely and completely on my Trump votes. That judgement is very morally upstanding of you. You believe that and that act alone is ample evidence to condemn somebody, apparently. You publish many posts here in your second home that don't provide much strong evidence of your self-professed moral purity, Captain. In the end, I disagree with you on the grand majority of political issues it appears, but I'm refraining from any sort of adolescent teen girl name calling, general blind categorization, or calling for your condemnation because of that disagreement. You still can have your space..I'd just suggest that you might consider swimming a little closer to the bank in these waters.
Have fun, fellas ( and ladies / girls where and if it applies).
This is a very typical reaction when one tells a Trumper that his, uh, choices may not have been wise.
I'm afraid I do know enough about you to judge you. You voted for Trump--twice. And you knew then and know now what a horrible human being he is. You had a shared social responsibility to elect the best leader, and instead, voted for an evil buffoon.
You may be a good person overall, but voting for the Orange Pusbag was a shocking moral failure, and one you repeated, at that. I realize that he managed to hypnotize a thundering herd of goobers into loving him. You weren't in that category, though, and yet, you still drank the Kool-aid. That makes you more culpable than the goobers IMHO.