Why Las Vegas is NOT Running Out of Water Anytime Soon

Originally posted by: David Miller

 California is currently alloted 27% of the water. They have 830 miles of coastline. Building desalination plants along their coastlines could generate copious amounts of water. California has a massive population of homeless and illegals who could be employed to build and maintain the plants. Doing so would address several problems; (1) homelessness, (2) never ending supply of illegal aliens, (3) the amount of water needed from the Colodado agreement could be lessened and redistributed to other land locked states. A virtual Win-Win-Win for all concerned. Since this line of reasoning makes too much sense, I expect for it to be ridiculed and shot down by the resident dissenters who bloviate here daily.


Aside from the "homeless and illegals" nonsense--those folks usually wouldn't have the technical skills for the task and couldn't be forced to work at a public works project--mass desalinization on the necessary scale wouldn't work--because it requires massive amounts of power. San Diego built such a plant and found that the cost of water obtained that way was more than triple current costs.

 

There's also the problem of how to dispose of the brackish waste product created by the process--it's basically brine. Where would it go? It couldn't go back in the ocean!

 

I think this possible solution occured to state officials a long, long time ago--David isn't the first one to realize that California borders an ocean and that oceans have water in them.

 

It would be far easier and cheaper to cut back on agricultural use--don't grow water-intensive crops. 80% of CA's water usage is agricultural.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

You really think so?    The Fed's can jump in at any time and tear up those agreements.  How long do you think it would take for that to happen if people nationally see  empty produce shelves at the grocery?     Lake Powell is running dry too.     

 

Less snowpack, more people = a really bad game of musical chairs.    Dont think I would want to put myself in a position to be impacted by it.

 

Lets hope we get a few years of better precipitation and progress on alternate sources of hydration.


Actually, the Feds can't nullify agreements between/among states. Congress and the President both have temporary, emergency powers--but any exercise of those powers would be subject to legal challenges.

 

The solution is easy. We have a LOT of crops in production in the West that are ridiculously water-intensive for the local climate. The only reason those crops are in production is that the feds heavily subsidize the water from projects such as the CAP and the CWP. If the water hadn't been virtually free, no farmer would have grown those crops. So the solution now is simple. Take those crops out of production and use standard water conservation measures. Right now, many Sacramento and San Joaquin Valley farmers use the equivalent of flood irrigation because the water is so damn cheap.

 

There's more than enough water to serve the needs of the Basin states' populations. What there isn't enough water for is vast, endless acres of lettuce, almonds, and kiwi fruit.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Aside from the "homeless and illegals" nonsense--those folks usually wouldn't have the technical skills for the task and couldn't be forced to work at a public works project--mass desalinization on the necessary scale wouldn't work--because it requires massive amounts of power. San Diego built such a plant and found that the cost of water obtained that way was more than triple current costs.

 

There's also the problem of how to dispose of the brackish waste product created by the process--it's basically brine. Where would it go? It couldn't go back in the ocean!

 

I think this possible solution occured to state officials a long, long time ago--David isn't the first one to realize that California borders an ocean and that oceans have water in them.

 

It would be far easier and cheaper to cut back on agricultural use--don't grow water-intensive crops. 80% of CA's water usage is agricultural.


 You don't have to have a college degree to build desalinination plant - the homeless and illegals would learn a trade and be able to support themselves.- what would be wrong with that? Is desalination used globally? What countries use desalination for water? In Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, rulers have for years poured oil and gas wealth into plants that transform seawater into a steady supply for their growing populations in cities on the Persian Gulf from Doha to Dubai. No other region on Earth desalinates so much water.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 You don't have to have a college degree to build desalinination plant - the homeless and illegals would learn a trade and be able to support themselves.- what would be wrong with that? Is desalination used globally? What countries use desalination for water? In Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, rulers have for years poured oil and gas wealth into plants that transform seawater into a steady supply for their growing populations in cities on the Persian Gulf from Doha to Dubai. No other region on Earth desalinates so much water.


And those states have virtually unlimited supplies of fossil fuel energy to run their desalinization plants.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

And those states have virtually unlimited supplies of fossil fuel energy to run their desalinization plants.


 So does the U.S.

Easy solution: Take all the snow from the blizzard and put in railcars and ship it out west.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 So does the U.S.


Now, you're just babbling nonsense. Who pays for the fuel to run the plants?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Now, you're just babbling nonsense. Who pays for the fuel to run the plants?


  As expected, nothing but excuses why California can not do this.

80% of CA's water usage is agricultural

 

https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2015/04/21/california-water-usage-in-crops-and-the-water-value-of-almonds/

 

You would think an agricultural expert like kevin would know that only 40% of the CA water is used for agriculture & Ca grows over 400 different crops.

 

Rather than using the water SF lets the water run into the ocean.

 

The State Water Resources Control Board  - plan that will require the rivers in the San Joaquin watershed to maintain 40% of unimpeded flow levels from February to June, more than twice the current amount of water. That means taking more water from farmers — and from the city of San Francisco itself, which relies on water from the Hetch Hetchy reservoir on the Tuolume River.

 

Since 2008, 1.4 trillion gallons of water has been flushed into the San Francisco Bay to protect the Delta smelt, an endangered species of fish, from water pumps.

 

California’s bizarre water priorities led state officials to demand that the Oakdale Irrigation District, near Modesto, release “pulse flows” of water from a small reservoir to help 12 fish swim out from the reservoir and down the Stanislaus River into the Pacific Ocean. Year after year, trillions of gallons of water are wasted like this in California, even in drought times, to save a few fish.

 

Environmental concerns have held up the development of a privately planned water desalination plant in Orange County. The California Coastal Commission, a powerful agency with control of development along the shoreline, is holding up the desalination plant

Edited on Dec 27, 2022 7:29am
Originally posted by: tom

80% of CA's water usage is agricultural

 

You would think an agricultural expert like kevin would know that only 40% of the CA water is used for agriculture & Ca grows over 400 different crops


     Lewis never was one for being factual, which is difficult to do when pulling "facts" out of one's ass...

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