Breaking the slot code again

"Any day now!"   and what's this Slot Slayers???  I see a "Slot Slayer Club" online but i looks like they are selling their own Slot Book for $29.99   what's the $30 discount towards?   whats the actuall site? 

They gave a bit more information about it on the YouTube show. 

It's basically going to be an advantage slots website run mostly by, or at least with significant involvement by,  the author of the book. 

The price I think they said will be 30 bucks a month or 270 something a year? The $30 discount is on the annual subscription. 

My speculation is that a big part of the delay with the book is they decided to launch it simultaneously with the website and had to get the website ready. They ran into unanticipated issues doing that. 

My fear is that they may have edited the book to make it just an advertisement for the website. 

You know when "How to Beat Video Poker" books first came out? Almost exactly coincident with the time when VP advantage play opportunities started to dry up, players were getting tossed out of players' clubs or out of casinos altogether, and of course paytables started to get strangled and players' clubs turned to mush.

So this website seems like a confirmation of my suspicion that advantage slots is a ship that has sailed. I mean, why isn't the guy running this website/publishing this book out there raping and looting and pillaging? Why would he share this info with us (albeit for $30 a month) if he could just keep it to himself and stuff his pockets? The answer, I strongly suspect, is that slot AP play opportunities are dying.

Again, any info they do provide is worthless unless it comes with some way to evaluate the inherent EV of a machine in its bonus state, and how the hell can you determine that without knowing the base payback?

I read the Bob Dancer blog and even though I don't play slot machines it seems that he knows how to read the machines and play when there is an advantage. Maybe this book explains what he knows?

What if you just assumed the base game had a payback of 75%?  Would you then be able to tell when the progressives got to a point where the EV is more than likely positive? (Based on 75% being the legal minimum on the base game) 

Or maybe use the average hold for that area from the most recent published numbers? 

Agree with you, Kevin. It's much easier charging 500 or 1000x30 usd from subscribers, every single month, than heading to the casinos looking for slots with good parameters. Somewhat similar to those guys showing others online how to become a professional trader. What sense does it make to explain online how to do that if you could fill your pockets easily by simply clicking the buttons at the right time when the market is volatile? It's fun to hear how these super pro traders explain the reason why they're doing it.  It makes no sense. 

Yes, it may seem that way. But several years ago, it became evident that he'd worn out his welcome in all but a very few of the places that still offered him VP opportunities. That downward spiral must have continued, forcing him to segue into the much more uncertain and volatile environment of advantage slots. I'm sure he knows how to HYPOTHESIZE an advantage by measuring a machine's bonus state. But as I've said, he has no more ability than you or I to divine the base return of the machine. What if the juicy jackpots in the brass kettles only elevate the return from 80% to 97%?

I also wonder why he's even bothering. He's bragged about making beaucouo bucks from VP (that was the title of his first book!), so why isn't he living large on that and amusing his wife Bonnie with dances and cruises? I would think he'd be sick and tired of skulking around smoky casinos.

I suspect that hypothesizing a base payback of 75% would make every machine appear unplayable, even ones with big juicy bonuses just waiting to be plucked.

So slot APs may very well use those average hold numbers...but what if the machine you plan to attack is set for, oh, 84% instead of the "average" 87% you expect? Wouldn't that screw the pooch? Especially since the positive states rarely render an advantage (when they do at all) of a couple of percent at most. They never get higher--somebody leaps on them.

That's why I suspect that EVERY slot AP, Dancer included, may be getting taken for a ride. What if the Golden Commode saw the flock of vultures and quietly set the bonusing games they liked to that 75% minimum? How would they know? They'd have a bad session, fail to hit the bonus (or hit it too late) and chalk it up to volatility. How many trials, and how much money lost, would it take before they KNRW that something was out of joint?

How many times would a coin have to come up "heads" before you suspected the coin was crooked? Quite a few, logically, right? How can a slot AP know?

I should mention that when a VP game doesn't produce the expected return, that could also be volatility, but at least it says right on the machine what the payback SHOULD be.

looking forward to it, that $30ish dollars from last year isn't worth much now so feels like a bargain. I dont' expect to get rich but I would like to understand why that creepy guy is watching me at the slots.  Getting $30 worth for me might be possible, that's about 5 minutes on some of those machines. I would like for someone to review that $1,000 carny game book and tell me if that's worth it.  

Since carny games are unbeatable without some kind of cheating, I'd say "no."

I have a fun memory from the early days of banking slots, like Piggy Bank and Cherry Pie. When Fromaggio (Big Cheese) opened in Vegas, they had rows and rows of those slots. Those were a vultures' paradise, and they accordingly swooped in. Shortly, there were far too many for any of them to make any real money. They got to perching at the end of machine rows, hoping somebody would abandon a machine in a positive state. I watched as a woman played Cherry Pie and almost filled up the pie, but ran out of money. She shrugged, got up and left. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a vulture hurriedly threading his way toward her machine from her left. Then, I looked to the right, and there was another vulture approaching from that side with equal speed. The two vultures and the woman collided in front of the machine. The two vultures immediately started throwing punches at each other, while the women scrambled to her feet, grabbed her purse, and got the hell out of there. The two vultures were still beating each other up when security arrived. I was all but doubled over laughing. The assistant casino manager showed up--this had attracted quite a crowd--and I told him what had happened and why. He thanked me and gave me a lunch comp.

Good times!!