2014***ObamaCare***2014

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Another obama change to the law that he said last year couldn't be changed. This change conveniently extends past the election



The Obama administration is preparing to announce a new delay in the health care law's implementation that would allow insurers to continue offering health plans that do not meet ObamaCare's minimum coverage requirements.

President Obama, under pressure over widespread health plan cancellations, offered a solution in November allowing Americans to keep their current insurance policies for another year, even if their plans didn't meet the minimum standards.

The latest delay, expected to be announced as early as next week, would allow insurers to continue selling insurance plans that would otherwise be banned under the law. Fox News has confirmed the extension, first reported by The Hill.

It is unclear how long the extension will be, though one unidentified source told the Hill it could last to the end of Obama's second term, and possibly beyond
Republicans say they want to delay Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true.

When the Republcans tried thru their constitutional authority to delay the law they were told by obama that the law was the law and it couldn't be changed. obama under dubious constitutional authority has changed the law 37 times.

The inconsistency is on the part of obama
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Republicans say they want to delay Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true.

Hmm, . . . DonDiego detects a logical fallacy.
Note the difference: "delay Obamacare" vs "delay parts of Obamacare".

So, yes, . . . both things can be true. In addition the first thing is in accordance with the Constitution; the second thing is likely not.
__It is inappropriate for a President to sign a Bill into Law, and then alter the letter-of-the-law to suite his political preferences, . . . e.g. to delay portions required to be instituted by a date certain so that they are to be instituted conveniently after the next election. [DonDiego supposes it is actually unconstitutional, but that remains to be decided. DonDiego supposes the next delay will be to not collect the penalty-tax, . . . because i.there is no practical way implemented to collect it and ii.there is no way to hold citizens responsible to purchase something which is i.undefined and ii.unable to be purchased.]
__As opposed to President Obama's decision to arbitrarily and selectively change the Law, the Republicans first voted to repeal the Law in accordance with the Constitutional principle according the legislature this power. The vote failed.
__Subsequently, upon noticing that the Law was being implemented incompetently and haphazardly, . . . as the notion struck the President, . . . the Republicans voted to amend the Law legally, i.e. in accordance with constitutionally authorized powers, and delay the implementation altogether until either i.the Law could be improved and implemented competently or ii.the Law could be repealed if it were unworkable. Again all absolutely legal and constitutional. n.b. Had the entire law been delayed the present implementation debacle could have been avoided, . . . and the President and his Administration would look less foolish than they subsequently have.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Republicans say they want to delay Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true.

Hmm, . . . DonDiego detects a logical fallacy.
Note the difference: "delay Obamacare" vs "delay parts of Obamacare"...
Republicans say they want to delay parts of Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true. (And DonDiego will have to find a new nit to pick.)


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Republicans say they want to delay Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true.

Hmm, . . . DonDiego detects a logical fallacy.
Note the difference: "delay Obamacare" vs "delay parts of Obamacare"...
Republicans say they want to delay parts of Obamacare.

Republicans say that it is wrong for the President to delay parts of Obamacare.

Both of these things cannot be true. (And DonDiego will have to find a new nit to pick.)


And happycamper2499 detects that DonDiego no doubt will........happycamper2499 also notes that it is good that happycamper2499 can leave the board for 2 years and see the same argument with slightly different details when happycamper2499 returns.
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Originally posted by: happycamper2499
........happycamper2499 also notes that it is good that happycamper2499 can leave the board for 2 years and see the same argument with slightly different details when happycamper2499 returns.

DonDiego welcomes happycamper2499 back ! [DonDiego doesn't remember happycamper2499, . . . as the effects of ever-advancing decrepitude mount, . . . but he welcomes him back anyway.]

Who needs a Supreme Court when we have DonDiego to tell us what is constitutional and what isn't?
What DonDiego actually wrote:
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
__It is inappropriate for a President to sign a Bill into Law, and then alter the letter-of-the-law to suite his political preferences, . . . [DonDiego supposes it is actually unconstitutional, but that remains to be decided . . .]
[boldface added - DD]

How pjstroh responded:
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Who needs a Supreme Court when we have DonDiego to tell us what is constitutional and what isn't?


DonDiego supposes he should've been more explicit about who decides questions of unconstitutionality; for the record, it is ultimately the Supreme Court.

DonDiego joins those scholars much wiser than he who have concluded the tripartite division of Federal powers is an excellent impediment to tyranny. DonDiego also recognizes, as did they, even the finest schemes of men can be corrupted.

Follow the money.

The State of Oregon received over $300-million from the Federal Government to establish the Cover Oregon website intended to enroll folks into Obamacare.
So far, the State has managed to spend $hundreds-of-thousands of dollars successfully on advertising to encourage enrollment through Cover Oregon.
So far, the total number of those who have enrolled successfully through the Cover Oregon website without personal assistance is zero.

"No one has any clue when the site will be working and just this week, Gov. John Kitzhaber expressed pessimism about the ability for Cover Oregon to get its website fully functioning before the March 31 open enrollment deadline under the federal health care law.
In a statement Monday, Kitzhaber says 'It has become increasingly clear that we may not be able to have the public portion of the website operational for the current enrollment period.' "

"A spokesperson for Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., told the On Your Side Investigators on Wednesday morning [5 March 2014] that the Government Accountability Office will proceed with a review of the website.
[Rep.] Walden . . . first called for the review on Feb. 12.
Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., and Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., sent a joint letter to the GAO the day after Walden's announcement doubling down on the call for an investigation."

Ref: KATU ABC, Portland
Only one in 10 uninsured people who qualify for private plans through the new health insurance marketplaces enrolled as of last month, according to a survey by the consulting firm McKinsey & Co., The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

The McKinsey survey found that only 27 percent of people who have selected a plan on the exchanges described themselves as having previously been without insurance. That percentage is up from 11 percent a month earlier, the report said

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Although several parts of the Affordable Care Act have yet to be implemented, 23% of Americans say the healthcare law has hurt them or their families, while 10% say it has helped them so far. Still, the majority of Americans (63%) feel the law has had no impact on them or their families, according to Gallup
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