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Bye bye Richard Ramirez (The Night Stalker)

Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Jun 7, 2013
4:48am
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California serial killer Richard Ramirez dies

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Richard Ramirez, the demonic serial killer who left satantic signs at murder scenes and mutilated victims' bodies during a reign of terror in the 1980s, died early Friday in a hospital, a prison official said.

Richard Ramirez dies at the age of 53

What a great story to cheer me up for the weekend. Hopefully he will burn in hell.

Tutontow
Tutontow
Jun 7, 2013
6:45am
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What really burns me up is the fact he was sentenced to death in 1989. The California taxpayers supported that POS for 24 years.
BAGIANT
BAGIANT
Jun 9, 2013
7:39am
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That's the way it goes. I say they should be be killed as soon as they are found guilty in a case like his case.
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 9, 2013
10:28am
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
That's the way it goes. I say they should be be killed as soon as they are found guilty in a case like his case.
You make a great point, as usual.

Our trial courts are infallible. No person ever convicted of a capital crime has ever been innocent.



Our government is always perfect and should never be questioned.



We need to hurry up and kill.

BobOrme
BobOrme
Jun 9, 2013
2:40pm
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
That's the way it goes. I say they should be be killed as soon as they are found guilty in a case like his case.
You make a great point, as usual.

Our trial courts are infallible. No person ever convicted of a capital crime has ever been innocent.

Our government is always perfect and should never be questioned.

We need to hurry up and kill.


You missed or completely ignored the words "in a case like his case".

DNA linked Ramirez to the murder of a 9-year-old girl. She was just one of many he murdered. There was NO DOUBT he did what he did. There is NO DOUBT he was guilty. The costs of not putting him to death weren't just the costs involved in housing him on death row. The appeals process costs the state substantially more. The state should have executed him at least 20 years ago.

Some people actually admire murderers. Ramirez had a number of female supporters both during his trial and after his conviction. One of those sick girls actually married him while he was in prison. I wouldn't be too quick to question the guilt of someone like Ramirez, unless you are one of those death row groupies...

Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 9, 2013
2:52pm
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The problem, of course, is that phrases like "in a case like this" can mean very differen t things to different reasonable people.



As I understand it, this man will go on trial tomorrow. He is stands accused of shooting a child to death last year, one of the worst crimes I can imagine. If, following trial, he is determined to be a murderer, I will be glad to know that he will not be immediately killed, even though there's little doubt that this man shot the child.

It sometimes takes us a long time to convince the government when it's made a terrible mistake. Let's not compound those mistakes by spending millions more than we have to just to make it impossible to try and fix those mistakes.

To me, the less our justice system resembles the systems used by Iran, North Korea, and this guy, the better.



But that's just me.
forkushV
forkushV
Jun 9, 2013
3:14pm
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
That's the way it goes. I say they should be be killed as soon as they are found guilty in a case like his case.
You make a great point, as usual.

Our trial courts are infallible. No person ever convicted of a capital crime has ever been innocent.

Our government is always perfect and should never be questioned.

We need to hurry up and kill.


You missed or completely ignored the words "in a case like his case".

DNA linked Ramirez to the murder of a 9-year-old girl. She was just one of many he murdered. There was NO DOUBT he did what he did. There is NO DOUBT he was guilty...
Every one of the 306 set free by the innocence project was convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt." I'm sure BobOrme would have been screaming "no doubt" about all of those, too.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts.” ? Bertrand Russell
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Jun 9, 2013
3:20pm
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For myself, I don't have any doubt that we'll never get a better candidate for the death penalty than Richard Ramirez. The worst of the worst, no question. However, I'm willing to let his body fail over time in a prison if that'll prevent us from rushing too quickly to kill someone who we later figure out is innocent.

Until we can be certain that our government is infallible, let's deny it the power to methodically kill us when life incarceration without possibility of parole is so effective at keeping the public safe.
BobOrme
BobOrme
Jun 9, 2013
3:40pm
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
The problem, of course, is that phrases like "in a case like this" can mean very differen t things to different reasonable people.



As I understand it, this man will go on trial tomorrow. He is stands accused of shooting a child to death last year, one of the worst crimes I can imagine. If, following trial, he is determined to be a murderer, I will be glad to know that he will not be immediately killed, even though there's little doubt that this man shot the child.

It sometimes takes us a long time to convince the government when it's made a terrible mistake. Let's not compound those mistakes by spending millions more than we have to just to make it impossible to try and fix those mistakes.

To me, the less our justice system resembles the systems used by Iran, North Korea, and this guy, the better.



But that's just me.


If someone bigger and/or stronger than me was slamming my head into the ground or pavement and I had a gun in my pocket, I'd shoot him too.

I find it amazing that you defend murder with mailce against actual children and condemn self defense against someone who is not a child.


BobOrme
BobOrme
Jun 9, 2013
3:56pm
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BAGIANT
That's the way it goes. I say they should be be killed as soon as they are found guilty in a case like his case.
You make a great point, as usual.

Our trial courts are infallible. No person ever convicted of a capital crime has ever been innocent.

Our government is always perfect and should never be questioned.

We need to hurry up and kill.


You missed or completely ignored the words "in a case like his case".

DNA linked Ramirez to the murder of a 9-year-old girl. She was just one of many he murdered. There was NO DOUBT he did what he did. There is NO DOUBT he was guilty...
Every one of the 306 set free by the innocence project was convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt." I'm sure BobOrme would have been screaming "no doubt" about all of those, too.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts.” ? Bertrand Russell

How many of the 306 were SENTENCED TO DEATH WITH DNA evidence BEFORE sentencing? You aren't sure of anything Bruce. I trust DNA evidence. It is a good thing that people have been proved innocent due to DNA evidence. It should also be conclusive evidence of absolute guilt and it sure shouldn't take decades for the rightful punishment to occur.
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