Corporations now have religious freedom

At least according to the conservative majority on the Supreme court. The very predictable outcome is many corporations will now find "religion" to avoid complying with all sorts of Federal Laws.

Minimum Wage and overtime laws are among the first I suspect that will be challenged as an infringement of these new found corporate religious rights.

This is probably one of the worst decisions handed down in modern times. How to determine what is a legitimate religious belief of an intangible non-living thing is beyond me.

My religion "AlanLeroyism" suggests my employees should tithe 10% of their income to the glory of it's founder, AlanLeroy. I wonder if we can just make that an automatic deduction now?
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Originally posted by: malibber2
At least according to the conservative majority on the Supreme court. The very predictable outcome is many corporations will now find "religion" to avoid complying with all sorts of Federal Laws.

Minimum Wage and overtime laws are among the first I suspect that will be challenged as an infringement of these new found corporate religious rights.

This is probably one of the worst decisions handed down in modern times. How to determine what is a legitimate religious belief of an intangible non-living thing is beyond me.


Gee, like you really think this will happen? Last I heard 6 people or less have to own the company....Kinda makes that real hard to do now eh???
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Originally posted by: malibber2
At least according to the conservative majority on the Supreme court. The very predictable outcome is many corporations will now find "religion" to avoid complying with all sorts of Federal Laws.

Minimum Wage and overtime laws are among the first I suspect that will be challenged as an infringement of these new found corporate religious rights.

This is probably one of the worst decisions handed down in modern times. How to determine what is a legitimate religious belief of an intangible non-living thing is beyond me.
DonDiego's reading of Justice Alito's opinion suggests that malibber2 may be over-reacting.
In fact, he addresses malliber2's fears explicitly. And offers a solution, . . . that HHS apply the same workaround it already offers to non-profit businesses to for-profit businesses.

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JUSTICE ALITO delivered the opinion of the Court.

We must decide in these cases whether the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA), 107 Stat. 1488, 42 U. S. C. §2000bb et seq., permits the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to demand that three closely held corporations provide health-insurance coverage for methods of contraception that violate the sincerely held religious beliefs of the companies’ owners. We hold that the regulations that impose this obligation violate RFRA, which prohibits the Federal Government from taking any action that substantially burdens the exercise of religion unless that action constitutes the least restrictive means of serving a compelling government interest.
In holding that the HHS mandate is unlawful, we reject HHS’s argument that the owners of the companies forfeited all RFRA protection when they decided to organize their businesses as corporations rather than sole proprietorships or general partnerships. The plain terms of RFRA make it perfectly clear that Congress did not dis- criminate in this way against men and women who wish to run their businesses as for-profit corporations in the manner required by their religious beliefs.
Since RFRA applies in these cases, we must decide whether the challenged HHS regulations substantially burden the exercise of religion, and we hold that they do. The owners of the businesses have religious objections to abortion, and according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue are abortifacients. If the owners comply with the HHS mandate, they believe they will be facilitating abortions, and if they do not comply, they will pay a very heavy price—as much as $1.3 million per day, or about $475 million per year, in the case of one of the companies. If these consequences do not amount to a substantial burden, it is hard to see what would.
Under RFRA, a Government action that imposes a substantial burden on religious exercise must serve a compelling government interest, and we assume that the HHS regulations satisfy this requirement. But in order for the HHS mandate to be sustained, it must also constitute the least restrictive means of serving that interest, and the mandate plainly fails that test. There are other ways in which Congress or HHS could equally ensure that every woman has cost-free access to the particular contraceptives at issue here and, indeed, to all FDA-approved contraceptives.


Opinion of the Court

In fact, HHS has already devised and implemented a system that seeks to respect the religious liberty of reli- gious nonprofit corporations while ensuring that the employees of these entities have precisely the same access to all FDA-approved contraceptives as employees of companies whose owners have no religious objections to providing such coverage. The employees of these religious non-profit corporations still have access to insurance coverage without cost sharing for all FDA-approved contraceptives; and according to HHS, this system imposes no net economic burden on the insurance companies that are required to provide or secure the coverage.
Although HHS has made this system available to religious nonprofits that have religious objections to the contraceptive mandate, HHS has provided no reason why the same system cannot be made available when the owners of for-profit corporations have similar religious objections. We therefore conclude that this system constitutes an alternative that achieves all of the Government’s aims while providing greater respect for religious liberty. And under RFRA, that conclusion means that enforcement of the HHS contraceptive mandate against the objecting parties in these cases is unlawful.
As this description of our reasoning shows, our holding is very specific. We do not hold, as the principal dissent alleges, that for-profit corporations and other commercial enterprises can “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Post, at 1 (opinion of GINSBURG, J.). Nor do we hold, as the dissent implies, that such corporations have free rein to take steps that impose “disadvantages . . . on others” or that require “the general public [to] pick up the tab.” Post, at 1–2. And we certainly do not hold or suggest that “RFRA demands accommodation of a for-profit corporation’s religious beliefs no matter the impact that accommodation may have on . . . thousands of women employed by Hobby Lobby.” Post, at 2.1 The effect of the HHS-created accommodation on the women employed by Hobby Lobby and the other companies involved in these cases would be precisely zero. Under that accommodation, these women would still be entitled to all FDA-approved contraceptives without cost sharing.


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For the record poor old DonDiego remains a non-believer. But he respects the religious views held by others; the exception being those whose religion instructs them to do harm to others. This is called tolerance.
DonDiego supposes if more folks practiced tolerance of others this'd be a nicer world altogether.

But he doesn't expect it to happen.


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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: malibber2
At least according to the conservative majority on the Supreme court. The very predictable outcome is many corporations will now find "religion" to avoid complying with all sorts of Federal Laws.

Minimum Wage and overtime laws are among the first I suspect that will be challenged as an infringement of these new found corporate religious rights.

This is probably one of the worst decisions handed down in modern times. How to determine what is a legitimate religious belief of an intangible non-living thing is beyond me.


Gee, like you really think this will happen? Last I heard 6 people or less have to own the company....Kinda makes that real hard to do now eh???
How about Cargill, Koch Industries and Dell. That's about 300,000 Americans employed right there.

And in 2009, a majority of American employees worked for closely held corporations.

But you know, Chef, you've been so good at ignoring actual data in the past, why don't you ignore this bit too. Just keep on ignorantly claiming that closely held corporations are really rare. That way you'll stay consistent.
I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't like being forced to pay for her birth control products if she can afford to pay for them herself. If she can't afford her morning after pills, then maybe someone needs to put together a charitable organization that could provide them at no charge.
I sure hope my electric company doesn't go Jewish, I really like having power on Saturdays.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't like being forced to pay for her birth control products if she can afford to pay for them herself.
I'm with you on wanting to save money. How do you feel about being forced to pay for the school, lunch, vandalism repair, guidance counselor, juvenile probation officer, cop, correctional facility, and unending additional costs that such a disproportionate number of unwanted children wind up making you pay for?

According to the Guttmacher Institute, "every $1.00 invested in helping women avoid pregnancies they did not want to have saved $5.68 in Medicaid expenditures that otherwise would have been needed." That's just Medicaid!

If it's money you want to save, subsidizing birth control is an easy call. Hobby Lobby's position will cost the rest of us money.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't like being forced to pay for her birth control products...
Which has NOTHING to do with this case.

The Court says that most American employers can limit health insurance coverage based on the bosses religious beliefs. Are you cool with a Scientology employer excluding psych drugs from coverage? A 7th Day Adventist excluding blood transfusions?

Or Talibans who won't let a sick woman disrobe for a medical examination? Or an American Taliban who prevents his female employees from getting birth control?

See, it's hard to tell the difference, isn't it?
Do you really want a world where your wife, your daughters or any other female relatives and friends you have need to go to their likely male employer and discuss with them in detail their sex life? And then find out if their employer has any moral objection to their sex life and please approve of their birth control or any other medical treatment they need on their lady bits. If that isn't a situation ripe for abuse I don't know what it.

This decision has opened the door for private for profit corporations to micromanage every aspect of an employee's private life.

I think maybe I'll start a corporation and hire only young attractive twenty something females to work there. Then I shall require they join me in the weekly company orgy as a condition of their ongoing employment. Weekly orgies with young ladies are part of malliber's sincere deeply held pagan religious beliefs that that date back to ancient Rome.

Then for fun I will start a company that worships the devil. Each work day shall start off with the sacrifice of a live animal and a prayer to Satan. All employees will be required to participate because we will be a religious for profit company.


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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't like being forced to pay for her birth control products if she can afford to pay for them herself. If she can't afford her morning after pills, then maybe someone needs to put together a charitable organization that could provide them at no charge.


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