Corporations now have religious freedom

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Originally posted by: malibber2
I hate to have to explain this issue, but her is how it works.
1. Planned Parenthood isn't everywhere in some cases females to would have to drive hundreds of miles to get "free" birth control.
2. Planned Parenthood generally only gives free birth control to ladies below the poverty line others pay based upon a sliding scale.
3. Getting a birth control prescription filled still requires an annual pelvic exam. Often these have to be done at a private physicians office with lab work these can easily be $300 or more.
4. If you have anything out of the ordinary at all even such things as irregular periods planned parenthood won't give you birth control until you see a specialist at your own expense.
5. The cheap type of pills that most of you are talking about do not work on every female. In fact they don't work for a lot of females. If you need something other than the cheap birth control it isn't available at planned parenthood.

Again do really want to send your wife, your daughter, another female relative or a female friend to their employer to have to talk about these kinds of issues and explain to a male employer what is going on in their sex life and please approve of their medical treatment? IMO employers don't need to be involved in an employees sex life, but this is what this decision dictates.

This is the most certifiably bizarre ruling in modern history that employs a tortured logic that intangible objects are capable of having a belief system. Hell you might as well say the Bill of Rights applies to dogs. It would make more sense than this shit.


An extremely valid point!, but Obama felt it necessary as part of the ACA.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
President Obama could fix this with one stroke of the pen or regulatory rule. He only has to treat these for profit companies that are opting out of the mandate the same way he treated non-profit religious organizations that opted out of the birth control mandate. He just made the insurance companies pay for the birth control mandate.

Then, there is no "having your wife or daughter discuss their sex life with the employer". It's between the employee and the insurance company...just like it was before the ruling. If he believes it's in the best interest of women's health then by all means, he should fix this immediately. Unless he prefers a 'War on Women...or fear mongering' to actually solving a problem that is completely under his control.

And let me add that the root cause of this issue isn't Hobby Lobby or the Supreme Court. It's the way our blathering congress cobbled together Obamacare. They couldn't have made a more comlex, sillier system of paying for health care if they had tried. And don't get me going on how they completely ignored serious, substantial and obvious ways to really reduce the costs of Health Care in America while pandering to Big Pharma, the Insurance Lobby, the AMA, the State of Nebraska and many other special interest groups and lobbies...and I ain't taling about Hobby Lobbies.

The contraceptive mandate was NOT part of the original ACA passed by the "we need to pass this so you can see what is in it" Congress. That mandate was added by ObeyMe more than a year after the ACA was signed into law. There's no way he will fix it.
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Originally posted by: malibber2 I hate to have to explain this issue, but her is how it works.
1. Planned Parenthood isn't everywhere in some cases females to would have to drive hundreds of miles to get "free" birth control.
2. Planned Parenthood generally only gives free birth control to ladies below the poverty line others pay based upon a sliding scale.
3. Getting a birth control prescription filled still requires an annual pelvic exam. Often these have to be done at a private physicians office with lab work these can easily be $300 or more.
4. If you have anything out of the ordinary at all even such things as irregular periods planned parenthood won't give you birth control until you see a specialist at your own expense.
5. The cheap type of pills that most of you are talking about do not work on every female. In fact they don't work for a lot of females. If you need something other than the cheap birth control it isn't available at planned parenthood.

Again do really want to send your wife, your daughter, another female relative or a female friend to their employer to have to talk about these kinds of issues and explain to a male employer what is going on in their sex life and please approve of their medical treatment? IMO employers don't need to be involved in an employees sex life, but this is what this decision dictates.

Why are only women responsible for contraception?

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Originally posted by: malibber2 This is the most certifiably bizarre ruling in modern history that employs a tortured logic that intangible objects are capable of having a belief system. Hell you might as well say the Bill of Rights applies to dogs. It would make more sense than this shit.


Title 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle F - Procedure and Administration
CHAPTER 79 - DEFINITIONS
Sec. 7701 - Definitions
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov

(1) Person

The term “person” shall be construed to mean and include an individual, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or corporation.


Our government has defined persons as more than single individuals many decades. Therefore, individuals, trusts, estates, partnerships, associations, companies and corporations are not "intangible objects".


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Why are only women responsible for contraception?


Because a man can't get pregnant.

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Title 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE


Since when did tax code trump the Constitution? That was written to apply to the tax code not to define the scope of the Bill of Rights.

a corporation is ‘an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law.’ Chief Justice Marshall - Binding Precedent ignored by the corporate whores on the Supreme Court.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
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Why are only women responsible for contraception?


Because a man can't get pregnant.


That doesn't absolve men from mutual responsibility. Or, if it does, there should be no parental responsibility on the part of men when women let them get them pregnant.

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Title 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE


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Originally posted by: malibber2 Since when did tax code trump the Constitution? That was written to apply to the tax code not to define the scope of the Bill of Rights.

a corporation is ‘an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law.’ Chief Justice Marshall - Binding Precedent ignored by the corporate whores on the Supreme Court.


The tax code defines how every type of business (and employee) is viewed by the government. It in fact defines rights. A corporation can be one person. I know of quite a few corporations that consist of one or two people. That status does not make them artificial, invisible, intangible or any other term you might want to place upon them concerning their rights as protected by the Constitution.
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