Do you OWE your kids a college education?

Given the choice of the easy road or the hard road people will always take the easy road. My friends daughter seemed to lose her phone about every six months. It is strange how when she had to buy her own she never lost it.

I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief. I say let them fall down and skin their knees once in a while it will do them good. I can't begin to tell you how many of my friends kids did just what yours did and wasted dads hard earned money basically effing off on a college campus. If they only knew how much toil goes into earning 36k they might sing a different tune. I would love to be there the day you move to LV and let them know the ATM is now shut off.

As far as I am concerned once they turn 18 you don't owe them squat. If you want to pitch in and help and by help I mean no more than half of the bills so be it.


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Originally posted by: Campion
Your last line said it best. I don't think enough people are willing to let their kids fail. Experience the work, success, heartache, and reality of life. Paying off debt. Making good (or bad) decisions and living with the consequences.




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I earned a 4 year degree in a little less than 4 years while working a full time job in a glass manufactoring plant,(Corning Glass works), with help from the G.I. Bill, (benefits for spending 18 months in Viet Nam).

Fast forward to today. My youngest daughter went to Columbia College of Creative Arts in Chicago for two semesters at a cost of $36,000 paid for by me. No completed hours of credit. We mutually agreed to stop this great experience.

My youngest son went to a Community College, living on Campus. He majored in nicotine and tattoos. This also lasted two semesters. No earned college credit. I stopped the funding of this party also.

My plan is to retire next April at the age of 65 and flee to Las Vegas or Laughlin, ( by myself), and let the family find themselves and experience the harsh realities of life.



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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Given the choice of the easy road or the hard road people will always take the easy road. My friends daughter seemed to lose her phone about every six months. It is strange how when she had to buy her own she never lost it.

I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief. I say let them fall down and skin their knees once in a while it will do them good. I can't begin to tell you how many of my friends kids did just what yours did and wasted dads hard earned money basically effing off on a college campus. If they only knew how much toil goes into earning 36k they might sing a different tune. I would love to be there the day you move to LV and let them know the ATM is now shut off.

As far as I am concerned once they turn 18 you don't owe them squat. If you want to pitch in and help and by help I mean no more than half of the bills so be it.



AMEN Kids are definitely coddled way too much. I don't care what anyone says, when paddling was allowed in school, kids were a lot more respectful. Also, now parents are afraid to spank their kids less someone might call HHS. I'm not advocating abussing or beating, just some type of discipline if "a good talking to" isn't working. Ironically I was never really spanked , although I probably needed it a few times as I got older.

I knew kids who were spanked, and good, at home and they absolutely deserved it. It pretty much kept 'em in line to, well for the most part. I can remember (and what kid can't from past generations) hearing a friend contemplating doing something they shouldn't and them saying "this is probably abad idea, I'm gonna get my butt beat big time when I get home" or something to that effect.

Oh well, to each his own, your reference to Dr. Spock made me think of this.

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
...I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief...
If you are referring to the subject at hand, college education, the opposite is true. It was your generation that was coddled beyond belief - by today's standards.

Remember tuition? Back in your coddled day, junior college tuition was damn near free, and tuition for most public colleges and universities - including textbooks - could be paid for with a part time job. Now a JC can cost thousands a year - for mostly online classes - and four-year tuition to a public university leaves students with the equivalent of a mortgage payment upon graduation - without the benefit of owning a house.

And your generation was even coddled in public high schools, with opportunities to enjoy music and art and physical education and intramural sports. You were coddled with small class sizes and teachers who didn't have to go out and spend their own money for school supplies.

Today's generation - at least those who are not born into money - have very few of those benefits. And to add insult to injury, they get to be told that they are "coddled."
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
...I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief...
If you are referring to the subject at hand, college education, the opposite is true. It was your generation that was coddled beyond belief - by today's standards.

Remember tuition? Back in your coddled day, junior college tuition was damn near free, and tuition for most public colleges and universities - including textbooks - could be paid for with a part time job. Now a JC can cost thousands a year - for mostly online classes - and four-year tuition to a public university leaves students with the equivalent of a mortgage payment upon graduation - without the benefit of owning a house.

And your generation was even coddled in public high schools, with opportunities to enjoy music and art and physical education and intramural sports. You were coddled with small class sizes and teachers who didn't have to go out and spend their own money for school supplies.

Today's generation - at least those who are not born into money - have very few of those benefits. And to add insult to injury, they get to be told that they are "coddled."


You are barking up the wrong tree. You sound ignorant beyond words when it comes to this subject. Respond away I won't argue this one with you....my wife's family and my family speak from experience.

Todays generation is soooo spoiled and feel so entitled compared to mine. BTW how old are you I am 56.


forkush speaks like a know- it- all 9 year old spoiled brat.
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forkush speaks like a know- it- all 9 year old spoiled brat.


Sucks when somebody you hate is correct, doesn't it, doc?

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
...I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief...
If you are referring to the subject at hand, college education, the opposite is true. It was your generation that was coddled beyond belief - by today's standards.

Remember tuition? Back in your coddled day, junior college tuition was damn near free, and tuition for most public colleges and universities - including textbooks - could be paid for with a part time job. Now a JC can cost thousands a year - for mostly online classes - and four-year tuition to a public university leaves students with the equivalent of a mortgage payment upon graduation - without the benefit of owning a house.

And your generation was even coddled in public high schools, with opportunities to enjoy music and art and physical education and intramural sports. You were coddled with small class sizes and teachers who didn't have to go out and spend their own money for school supplies.

Today's generation - at least those who are not born into money - have very few of those benefits. And to add insult to injury, they get to be told that they are "coddled."


You are barking up the wrong tree. You sound ignorant beyond words when it comes to this subject. Respond away I won't argue this one with you....my wife's family and my family speak from experience.

Todays generation is soooo spoiled and feel so entitled compared to mine. BTW how old are you I am 56.


You damn kids get off my lawn!
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
...I know I sound like an old codger but somewhere around the Dr. Spock days kids started being pampered and coddled beyond belief...
If you are referring to the subject at hand, college education, the opposite is true. It was your generation that was coddled beyond belief - by today's standards.

Remember tuition? Back in your coddled day, junior college tuition was damn near free, and tuition for most public colleges and universities - including textbooks - could be paid for with a part time job. Now a JC can cost thousands a year - for mostly online classes - and four-year tuition to a public university leaves students with the equivalent of a mortgage payment upon graduation - without the benefit of owning a house.

And your generation was even coddled in public high schools, with opportunities to enjoy music and art and physical education and intramural sports. You were coddled with small class sizes and teachers who didn't have to go out and spend their own money for school supplies.

Today's generation - at least those who are not born into money - have very few of those benefits. And to add insult to injury, they get to be told that they are "coddled."


First off, you're comparing apples and oranges Forkie and secondly what your referring to is the feeling of entitlement. I think the whole pojnt of the thread was.. oh never mind.

What you are talking about is that society(kids) are OWED a college ed. just because? Is that right?
Was that you I yelled at :>)
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Was that you I yelled at :>)




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