The Government Has Shut Down [01OCT2013]

"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events." - Abraham Lincoln
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

You aren't paying attention. Reid rejected any discussion of a compromise...
Nor should he. Shutting down the government should be non-negotiable. Otherwise, they'll use this hostage-taking over the next issue and the next, right?

Besides, if Boehner had allowed an up or down vote in the House, there would not have been a shutdown. What does Boehner have against democracy?


Every bill passed by the House contained a full continuing resolution to fund the government. Every one of them was rejected by the Senate. Every one of them was promised a veto by Obama. "Shutting down the government" rests solely in Reid's lap with the full support of Obama.

....and why is Obamacare exempt from "the government shut down"? Is this program more important than every other government entity that is being hit? How did America survive without it before this morning?
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Originally posted by: hoops2
WASHINGTON (WUSA9) -- A new federal payroll database obtained by WUSA9 and the Asbury Park Press shows $105 billion in federal wages including $332 million in 2012 bonuses and identifies the government's biggest payouts going to workers who deal with natural disasters.
The searchable database shows individual payroll records for fiscal year 2012, including some bonuses, for about three out of four government workers.

The figures, obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests to the Office of Personnel Management indicate the federal government has trimmed its bonus program since 2011, but they don't represent a full disclosure of government bonuses.

In FOIA responses to WUSA9, OPM has acknowledged it doesn't include all bonuses information because it considers an unknown amount of bonuses to be protected from disclosure under agency guidelines.
The Asbury Park Press estimates the numbers include about 73% of government workers, but excludes Department of Defense, CIA, FBI, Congress, The White House and some security agencies


Yea, I can see the connection. One group gets a bonus for being away from their families and homes for long periods of time helping out with disaster relief. The other group gets a bonus for over insuring healthy people and under insuring sick people. Good comparison.
If you do not see a difference in motivation, there is no sense in continuing this discussion.


Yea, I can see the connection. One group gets a bonus for being away from their families and homes for long periods of time helping out with disaster relief. The other group gets a bonus for over insuring healthy people and under insuring sick people. Good comparison.

If you do not see a difference in motivation, there is no sense in continuing this discussion

73% of fed govt employees receive bonuses; I don't think all of them are working on disaster relief

*** UPDATE *** UPDATE *** UPDATE ***

02OCT2013

The Sun came up, . . . again. And DonDiego's toilet still works.

Oh, . . . and for anyone concerned about poor old DonDiego's well-being within the present crisis, . . . he's got plenty of canned goods in the house.
"My memory seems to recall that the Obamacare health bill, that passed both houses of Congress, signed by the President and now stands as a law, was a result of a great deal of negotiation on the part of Obama and the Democrats. It is not the plan they started out with given that it still leaves health care as a for profit business run by faceless industry bureaucrats ( I agree that a government system would also be run by faceless bureaucrats, but at least they would not receive bonuses based on profit margins).
Negotiation time is over. Let's move on. "

obama has made multiple changes to the law without consulting congress (per the constitution), but when the House of Representatives want to make changes that is a non-starter. Chicago democracy at work
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme

You aren't paying attention. Reid rejected any discussion of a compromise...
Nor should he. Shutting down the government should be non-negotiable. Otherwise, they'll use this hostage-taking over the next issue and the next, right?

Besides, if Boehner had allowed an up or down vote in the House, there would not have been a shutdown. What does Boehner have against democracy?


Every bill passed by the House contained a full continuing resolution to fund the government..
And every ransom note agrees to release the hostage.

A simple resolution to continue to fund the government at present levels would get a majority of the votes in the House, but the Republican Speaker refuses to allow it. So own it, Republicans.
"And every ransom note agrees to release the hostage. "

democrats definition of a compromise; do it our way or we won't play
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"And every ransom note agrees to release the hostage. "

democrats definition of a compromise; do it our way or we won't play


What do Democrats get in the "compromise" you speak of ?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
*** UPDATE *** UPDATE *** UPDATE ***

02OCT2013

The Sun came up, . . . again. And DonDiego's toilet still works.

Oh, . . . and for anyone concerned about poor old DonDiego's well-being within the present crisis, . . . he's got plenty of canned goods in the house.
And in other news...

"At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said."

And have a great day, DonDiego!
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