Government Incompetence

The effort to consolidate everyone's medical records which was supposed to save money has now cost $45b to date, and the govt has no idea on when it will be completed
Cost of the Iraq war since 2003: $815 Billion and they are still messed up.
Could have covered all the costs and then some. Just different priorities. I would prefer not to subsidize Halliburton.

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Originally posted by: nuggetboy
Cost of the Iraq war since 2003: $815 Billion and they are still messed up.
Could have covered all the costs and then some. Just different priorities. I would prefer not to subsidize Halliburton.


it was a war that the house and the senate backed. Hindsight shows it to be a bad choice. Not only for the lost lives but also for the tremendous cost.
War does have an ending, not so sure this health care plan will be affordable for the working folks who will get to subsidize all the people that will be on it.
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
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Originally posted by: nuggetboy
Cost of the Iraq war since 2003: $815 Billion and they are still messed up.
Could have covered all the costs and then some. Just different priorities. I would prefer not to subsidize Halliburton.


it was a war that the house and the senate backed. Hindsight shows it to be a bad choice. Not only for the lost lives but also for the tremendous cost.
War does have an ending, not so sure this health care plan will be affordable for the working folks who will get to subsidize all the people that will be on it.



Backed because they were knowingly lied to by the administration.
Saddam tried to have Daddy assassinated in Saudi Arabia and junior was going to show him who was boss.

It was a bad choice then, voiced by many who were drowned out by the constant drum beats of war put out by the administrations media puppets.

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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
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Originally posted by: nuggetboy
Cost of the Iraq war since 2003: $815 Billion and they are still messed up.
Could have covered all the costs and then some. Just different priorities. I would prefer not to subsidize Halliburton.


it was a war that the house and the senate backed...
There was a subset of one political party that overwhelmingly opposed the war, along with deregulating Wall Street, the Patriot Act, and pretty much the entire George W. Bush presidency.

You should listen to us more often!

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Originally posted by: nuggetboy
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
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Originally posted by: nuggetboy
Cost of the Iraq war since 2003: $815 Billion and they are still messed up.
Could have covered all the costs and then some. Just different priorities. I would prefer not to subsidize Halliburton.


it was a war that the house and the senate backed. Hindsight shows it to be a bad choice. Not only for the lost lives but also for the tremendous cost.
War does have an ending, not so sure this health care plan will be affordable for the working folks who will get to subsidize all the people that will be on it.



Backed because they were knowingly lied to by the administration.
Saddam tried to have Daddy assassinated in Saudi Arabia and junior was going to show him who was boss.

It was a bad choice then, voiced by many who were drowned out by the constant drum beats of war put out by the administrations media puppets.


Nuggetboy hit the nail on the head !

The juggernaut of #43......Cheney and Bush........will go down as the worst 8 years of this country's existence.

We were lied to and deceived by a career crook (Cheney) who was more interested in increasing the bottom line for Halliburton, and he had a dumb ass puppet (Bush) whose main agenda was to make his daddy proud.

Anybody that voted for those 2 should be ashamed of themselves.
Worst 8 years? Give obama time, in no particular order

1) largest deficits in the history of the world
2) longest stretch of high unemployent since Roosevelt
3) only president to have the median family income drop every year of his presidency
4) most people on food stamps
5) largest % of people living under the poverty line
6) only president to have oil prices average $100 for his entire term
7) huge govt spy cases on American citizens
8) only president to have the US credit rating reduced
9) obamacare disaster that grows worse by the day
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Worst 8 years? Give obama time, in no particular order

1) largest deficits in the history of the world
2) longest stretch of high unemployent since Roosevelt
3) only president to have the median family income drop every year of his presidency
4) most people on food stamps
5) largest % of people living under the poverty line
6) only president to have oil prices average $100 for his entire term
7) huge govt spy cases on American citizens
8) only president to have the US credit rating reduced
9) obamacare disaster that grows worse by the day


Get real:
1-5 all related to the largest and longest recession in the US since the great depression. Not all Obama's fault.
Not all Bush's fault either. The continuous deregulation of the banking industry since 1980 and the fiscal policy known as supply side economics (correctly called Voodoo Economics by Bush Sr.) has resulted in four cyclical profit bubbles for bankers and investment firms while destroying the American middle class. This has been a three decades trend through both Republican and Democratic presidencies. Obama walked into the White House at the start of a raging fire. He did not start the fire, but apparently all damage caused by it is his fault. Really, come on.

6. It is a free market, Obama nor any US President, controls international oil prices. Of course our invasion of Iraq was supposed to result in reduced oil prices for us, thus making the war pay for itself. How's that working out for us?

7. The Patriot Act permitted all of this. It is legal. Warnings about the potential abuses of TPA were pushed aside and deemed to be unpatriotic. It was approved because it was necessary for national security, so sayth the President. It is just more widespread because of technology. It does not come close to the spying the FBI was doing in the 50-70's on domestic groups through illegal infiltration of any "subversive" organizations.

8. See 1-5

9. Since it has not been enacted, how can it be destroying America? I wonder how in the world Canada, England, France and every other Western industrialized nation (all have national health care systems) somehow survive. Most with longer life spans and lower infant mortality rates thus the US.

Stop the hyperbole! Obama is not Satan or a demented Socialist. He is a leader of average competency, whose main fault, in my opinion, is that he is too consolatory to opposing viewpoints, even when he has the majority.
Why in the world anyone would want the job of POTUS is beyond me. You can never win. If you shit gold bars out of your ass and used them to balance the budget, people would scream that you were effecting our balance of trade by devaluing the price of gold.

My prayers go with whomever holds the job.



Typical liberal response - nothing is obama's fault, but he takes credit whenever he can

Pass the stimulus and unemployment will not go over 8% - obama's words.

How many times has he said various versions of My primary focus when I get up in the morning until when I go to bed at night is the econonomy/jobs

Summer of recovery - biden's words

We created 7 million jobs - again obama's words - note the word WE. Another stat; we have less people working now than when he took office - another rarity

obama's 2012 campaign was based on well the economy & recovery was going.

If you like your health plan and doctor you will be able to keep it - obama's words; doesn't look like this will happen either

"Since it has not been enacted, how can it be destroying America? I wonder how in the world Canada, England, France and every other Western industrialized nation (all have national health care systems) somehow survive. Most with longer life spans and lower infant mortality rates thus the US"

I said it is growing worse by the day. Infant mortality - do you know that the US is the only country that reports all infant deaths? Most other countries have numerous qualifiers that reduce their infant mortality rate.

Life expectancy in the US is reduced by various social factors such as high homicide rates, suicides, auto fatalities, drug overdoses & obesity; factors that have nothing to do with quality health care. A better metric of health care is cancer and cardiac survival rates the & the US is near the top.

I never said obama was Satan - just incompetent

"Typical Liberal response". Really, nice labels.
How about about typical ditto head, poverty is not a problem-it is a solution, short sighted, narrow minded, anti-historical rejoinder. Labels are stupid.

Obama has fault as do all the presidents since Reagan that followed a deregulation, supply side economics policy.
But again, the house was on fire before Obama moved in. He is not responsible for all the torched furniture.
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