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Don
Don
Oct 13, 2013
7:17am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Can I just get hug from someone? Its been a tough day.

DonDiego suggests pjstroh seek out Chilcoot.

pjstroh
pjstroh
Oct 13, 2013
8:10am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Maybe for a start when the Government contracts for a construction project they could negotiate lower wages instead of specifying the the Contractor pay prevailing wage rates and fringe benefits for corresponding classes of laborers and mechanics employed on similar projects in the area.


Worker Wages play a big factor in the final sales price to the customer? Perhaps Don Diego should provide evidence of this dynamic before suggesting it is the case.

Here's some strong (albeit anecdotal) evidence that says it doesn't
Costco pays 42% higher wages than Sams Club
Last time I checked Costco sells their gallon jugs of mustard for about the same price as Sams Club. Doesn't seem possible, does it?
forkushV
forkushV
Oct 13, 2013
8:25am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
...Why doesn't the Government even try to negotiate better contract terms?...
Partly because YOU voted for Republicans who gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton, and who passed a law prohibiting Medicare from negotiating prescription drug prices.

This has been another episode of simple answers to silly questions.

But forkushV didn't even address DonDiego's "silly question"...
Of course I did. Our government's behavior isn't a function of what we "believe," it's a function of who we vote for. And DonDiego continued to vote for the Republican Party that prevents Medicare from negotiating drug prices, but then complains about the result.

That's silly too.

Don
Don
Oct 13, 2013
9:59am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

But forkushV didn't even address DonDiego's "silly question"...
Of course I did.
No, forkushV did not.

Poor old DonDiego agreed with forkushV's conclusion about prescription drugs and no-bid contracts.

DonDiego's question was: "[D]oes forkushV also oppose the legal stipulation that on construction contracts the Contractor must pay the prevailing wage, . . . or would he like the Government to negotiate a better deal, . . . for the taxpayer?"
forkushV has not answered it.


Don
Don
Oct 13, 2013
10:06am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Maybe for a start when the Government contracts for a construction project they could negotiate lower wages instead of specifying the the Contractor pay prevailing wage rates and fringe benefits for corresponding classes of laborers and mechanics employed on similar projects in the area.


Worker Wages play a big factor in the final sales price to the customer? Perhaps Don Diego should provide evidence of this dynamic before suggesting it is the case.

Here's some strong (albeit anecdotal) evidence that says it doesn't
Costco pays 42% higher wages than Sams Club
Last time I checked Costco sells their gallon jugs of mustard for about the same price as Sams Club. Doesn't seem possible, does it?
pjstroh is comparing mustard to concrete.

Labor costs may run as high as 50%-to-60% of total costs on a major construction project. If the Government could negotiate a wage rate 15% lower than "prevailing wages", , . . .it'd save 7%-to-9% of costs to the taxpayer.

Why wouldn't pjstroh want to save taxpayers' money?

forkushV
forkushV
Oct 13, 2013
10:35am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

But forkushV didn't even address DonDiego's "silly question"...
Of course I did.
No, forkushV did not...
Yes I did. Your question about prevailing wage is something you threw in AFTER you accused me of not answering your question. So you were expecting me to answer a question you had not yet asked.

That was silly too.

Don
Don
Oct 13, 2013
12:46pm
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

But forkushV didn't even address DonDiego's "silly question"...
Of course I did.
No, forkushV did not...
Yes I did. Your question about prevailing wage is something you threw in AFTER you accused me of not answering your question. So you were expecting me to answer a question you had not yet asked.
forkushV is mistaken:

12:25pm LVAT:
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Maybe for a start when the Government contracts for a construction project they could negotiate lower wages instead of specifying the the Contractor pay prevailing wage rates and fringe benefits for corresponding classes of laborers and mechanics employed on similar projects in the area.

Why doesn't the Government even try to negotiate better contract terms?

12:57pm LVAT:
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
...Why doesn't the Government even try to negotiate better contract terms?...
Partly because YOU voted for Republicans who gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton, and who passed a law prohibiting Medicare from negotiating prescription drug prices.
Just because forkushV deleted the portion of the question he does not want to answer does not mean poor old DonDiego didn't ask it.

Does forkushV think the Government should change the Law so that the Government could negotiate for lower wages on construction projects and save the taxpayers' money?
pjstroh
pjstroh
Oct 13, 2013
12:57pm
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Maybe for a start when the Government contracts for a construction project they could negotiate lower wages instead of specifying the the Contractor pay prevailing wage rates and fringe benefits for corresponding classes of laborers and mechanics employed on similar projects in the area.


Worker Wages play a big factor in the final sales price to the customer? Perhaps Don Diego should provide evidence of this dynamic before suggesting it is the case.

Here's some strong (albeit anecdotal) evidence that says it doesn't
Costco pays 42% higher wages than Sams Club
Last time I checked Costco sells their gallon jugs of mustard for about the same price as Sams Club. Doesn't seem possible, does it?
pjstroh is comparing mustard to concrete.

Labor costs may run as high as 50%-to-60% of total costs on a major construction project. If the Government could negotiate a wage rate 15% lower than "prevailing wages", , . . .it'd save 7%-to-9% of costs to the taxpayer.

Why wouldn't pjstroh want to save taxpayers' money?


Don Diego cant seem to tell the difference between "costs for the contractor" and "costs for taxpayers". He uses them interchangeably despite the fact that those two things are not remotely the same.

Don Diego asserts the top line labor costs of the contractor show up in the bottom line invoice given to taxpayers. That's a bold statement ... and one that has not been backed up very well so far.

Don
Don
Oct 13, 2013
11:27pm
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jatki
jatki
Oct 14, 2013
1:41am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Oh yes, another shining example of how much better this generation is over all others. Fine upstanding citizens, stellar in every way.

J

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