How come conservatives are trying to dictate to business

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: alanleroy
I believe there is some rule or law preventing them from doing that unless they are working with a union.
That may be true. DonDiego hasn't read the text of the pertinent Law.
Volkswagen had supposed that instituting such a co-operative committee without having a Union vote might have violated US Labor Law. Now that the vote has occurred, it may be possible to do so legally.

n.b. Just to be clear: "DonDiego hasn't read the text of the pertinent Law."

I think the core issue here is whether a Non Union 'Works Council' could be considered a 'Company Union' which were outlawed in the US by the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
I think the core issue here is whether a Non Union 'Works Council' could be considered a 'Company Union' which were outlawed in the US by the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.
DonDiego cannot disagree.

[EDITED TO ADD]
From The Wall Street Journal :
"The chief executive of the plant, Frank Fischer, said in a statement that Volkswagen will continue to search for a method of establishing a works council."
I don't believe that America's socialists have been yet succesful in preventing non-unionized employees from talking to each other. I'm certain that's a strategy, however.

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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: DonDiego

DonDiego would not be surprised if Volkswagen [i.e. The Peoples' Car] establishes a workers' committee in-plant similar to what they've done elsewhere around the world.

I believe there is some rule or law preventing them from doing that unless they are working with a union.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I don't believe that America's socialists have been yet succesful in preventing non-unionized employees from talking to each other. I'm certain that's a strategy, however.



The German 'Works Councils' don't just talk. Businesses meet with local works councils to adjust national agreements to local circumstances.

"In the United States, the NLRB has held that works councils in the absence of a recognized labor union are a form of company union prohibited under section 8(a)(2) of the National Labor Relations Act[3] This theory has been upheld in the courts; the controlling case is Electromation, Inc. v. NLRB (1994).[4]"

See Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#United_States

Now, I'm sure there will be some kind of Total Quality Initiative at the Tennessee plant and VW workers will have input on how the various processes are improved, but they are unlikely to have a German Style 'Works Council' as it appears to be illegal. That's not to say that it doesn't work in a non-union environment, just that it is not permitted in the US.




I stand corrected. Apparently socialists have succeeded in preventing non-union employees from talking. Non-union shops run like this: They offer employees a wage. If an employee decides this offer is non-competitive vs how others value his work, he can leave and make more money.

Amazingly, in a non-union company the best workers enjoy larger than normal raises and the poor workers experience the opposite. This system rewards hard work and generates a more productive workforce than union shops. This is why unions fight to prevent any competition from non-union shops.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I don't believe that America's socialists have been yet succesful in preventing non-unionized employees from talking to each other. I'm certain that's a strategy, however.



The German 'Works Councils' don't just talk. Businesses meet with local works councils to adjust national agreements to local circumstances.

"In the United States, the NLRB has held that works councils in the absence of a recognized labor union are a form of company union prohibited under section 8(a)(2) of the National Labor Relations Act[3] This theory has been upheld in the courts; the controlling case is Electromation, Inc. v. NLRB (1994).[4]"

See Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#United_States

Now, I'm sure there will be some kind of Total Quality Initiative at the Tennessee plant and VW workers will have input on how the various processes are improved, but they are unlikely to have a German Style 'Works Council' as it appears to be illegal. That's not to say that it doesn't work in a non-union environment, just that it is not permitted in the US.


Ten Philadelphia union members have been indicted for allegedly using illegal means of coercion, including the torching of a Quaker meeting house, to force local contractors to use organized labor.

The federal indictment, which was unsealed Tuesday, accuses members of Ironworkers Local 401 of several crimes, including racketeering and arson. Other alleged crimes include incidents in which union members allegedly threatened or assaulted contractors and damaged construction equipment and job sites.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
Ten Philadelphia union members have been indicted for allegedly using illegal means of coercion, including the torching of a Quaker meeting house, to force local contractors to use organized labor.

The federal indictment, which was unsealed Tuesday, accuses members of Ironworkers Local 401 of several crimes, including racketeering and arson. Other alleged crimes include incidents in which union members allegedly threatened or assaulted contractors and damaged construction equipment and job sites.


Hmmm. I wonder if our person who uses the term "thuggery" will speak up about this?
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Hmmm. I wonder if our person who uses the term "thuggery" will speak up about this?

"Thuggery", indeed.

"According to the indictment, the defendants had a network of individuals, friendly to the Ironworkers Local 401, to help identify construction projects and job sites where work was being performed without using Local 401 members. The indictment alleges that business agents would approach construction foremen at those work sites and imply or explicitly threaten violence, destruction of property or other criminal acts unless union members were hired. The defendants relied on a reputation for violence and sabotage, which had been built up in the community over many years, in order to force contractors to hire union members. It is alleged that the defendants created “goon” squads, composed of union members and associates, to commit assaults, arsons, and destruction of property. One such squad referred to itself as the “The Helpful Union Guys,” or THUGs."

Ref: Federal Bureau of Investigation

The UAW is going after Corker, the Governor of Tennessee, other elected officials and various conservative groups to set aside the election.

The claim is “coercion” via threats made by elected officials. In other words all around thuggery.

Linky
Meanwhile, . . . in the World of Automobile Manufacturing:

Mexico to Trump Japan as No. 2 Car Exporter to US
"An $800 million Honda plant that opened Friday [21 February 2014] in the central state of Guanajuato will produce more than 200,000 Fit hatchbacks and compact sport-utility vehicles a year, helping push total Mexican car exports to the U.S. to 1.7 million in 2014, roughly 200,000 more than Japan, consulting firm IHS Automotive says. And with another big plant starting next week, Mexico is expected to surpass Canada for the top spot by the end of 2015.

Mexico has roughly 580,000 auto workers, whose numbers have risen by 100,000 since 2008. They are paid about $16 a day, more than $4 less than what the average U.S. autoworker is paid every hour. More than half of all Mexican workers earn less than $15 a day, according to Mexico’s census agency.

Just 25 miles from the new Honda plant, Mazda is set to open a factory next week to produce 230,000 cars a year. Nissan is expected to turn out 175,000 cars annually at a $2 billion plant it opened late last year in the nearby state of Aguascalientes. And Audi will be producing luxury models at a plant in the state of Puebla that is slated to open in 2016.

'We have gained momentum throughout the years,' Economy Secretary Ildefonso Guajuardo said. 'Now Mexico is attracting international attention because it has proven to have quality of production and a friendly investment climate.' ”

BMW Considers First Plant in Mexico
"German luxury car maker BMW AG is in advanced talks with Mexican officials to build an about $1.5 billion factory, highlighting the country's growing status as a major auto-manufacturing hub.
In the past years, most of the auto manufacturers in Mexico, such as Volkswagen, Honda Motor Co., General Motors, Mazda Motor Corp., Fiat SpA, Daimler AG and Nissan, have all announced expansions.
South Korean firms are expected to be the next important players to enter the booming Mexican market. Mexico's government has been in talks with Hyundai Motor Co. and the company could be announcing its first assembly plant in the next couple of years, according to Mexican officials."

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